In shooting order, ‘Nadine’ was the second installment of ‘Jason King’ to be made at Elstree Studios, but was the 15th episode to be broadcast on television – on Wednesday, 2nd February 1972.
Above: Peter and Ingrid Pitt during a break in filming ‘Nadine’. Notice the script on the table in front of them.
Example of a typical week on set
Date
Stage 8
Stage 9
Lot Location
Friday, 30th October 1970
Interior King’s hotel room (Athens). Set No. 2/04
Monday, 2nd November 1970
Interior of King’s hotel room (Athens) To complete Interior Athens hotel corridor (Set No. 2/04) Interior Nadine’s hotel room (Athens) – (Set No. 2/06)
Exterior Villa Grounds (Set No. 2/03) Exterior Italian Hotel (Set No.2/03)
Friday, 6th November, 1970
Interior King’s Hotel Room (Pisa) – 9Set No. 2/10)
Shooting Schedule
Date: Friday, 30th October 1970 – First day of shooting.
A 20 second sequence (numbered 24 in the schedule) is set in Jason’s hotel room in Athens. Only Peter is required on this occasion. It is shot on Sound Stage No.8 at Elstree. The Props Department supply the following for the scene:
General dressing for modern Greek-style room.
Wicker boat with bunch of black grapes
Book with jacket reading: “Early Sparta” by G.L. Huxley
Bed, furniture etc. – Telephone
Also shot that day are scenes 64, featuring Jason King (Peter Wyngarde) and Nadine (Ingrid Pitt). Props:
Cassette tape player and cassettes.
Jason’s car keys on ring.
Timing: 20 seconds.
Scenes 66, 68, 70 and 72, featuring just Jason. Props: Glass of Alka Selzer. (Timing: 30 seconds).
Scene 25, featuring Jason and a Bellboy. Props:
Tray with a glass of lemon tea (glass in metal holder).
Timing: 35 Seconds.
Scenes 27, 36, 38, 40, 42, 44, 46, 48, 50, 52 and 54 – all requiring a lighting change, as it is meant to be at night, and featuring just Jason.
Start of Scene 59, with Jason and Nadine. The props department supply the following:
One full bottle of Champagne
One empty bottle of Champagne
Ice Bucket/Ice/Cloth
Champagne Glass
Remains of Dinner
Skewers – Skewers with meat and pancake pieces
Instructions to the Sound Department:
Playback for dance tempo
Tiny Powder/Tablet Box
This segment lasts 3-15.
Monday, 2nd November, 1970
The first job of the day day is to complete Scene 59, which was started at the end of the previous week. The props are the same as the above. which lasts just 5 seconds, features no artistes.
Next is Scene 23, which requires no actors, as it’s just a 5 second shot of Nadine’s’s hotel door with a “Do Not Disturb” (written in both English and Greek) on the handle.
Scene 55 takes place inside Nadine’s hotel room, which includes both Jason and Nadine. It lasts just 15 seconds. The room is dressed in the following way:
Similar dressing to Jason’s room
Telephone
Bedroom furniture
White leather suitcase (ladies)
Nadine’s clothes in suitcase
Iced drink in tall glass
Expensive bottle of perfume
Small transistor radio
Pack of “Disque Bleu” cigarettes
Lighter (Achille’s)
“Mark Caine” paperback entitled “After You – Death” with Jason’s photo on the back cover
The next sequence (No.22) involves Nadine and Achille – again in Nadine’s hotel room. It has a running time of just 40 seconds.
Four Nighttime shots (No’s. 65, 67, 69, 71 and 73) are shot – all involving Nadine in her hotel room, lasting 40 seconds in total.
Back in daylight, and again in her hotel room, Nadine features alone in Scenes 26, 35, 37 and 53 – culminating in 30 seconds of screen time. The props Department supply these items:
Towel – bath type (wet)
Make-up materials on dressing table
Travelling alarm clock
Cassette player and cassettes
Scene 56 has Jason and Nadine back together in the same hotel room for a 30 second sequence.
Above: Jason in the Greek night club
Tuesday, 3rd November 1970
All of the following characters are required for Scene 29, which is set inside a Greek night club: Jason Nadine, Achille (Patrick Mower), Kim (Stacy Gregg), Female Singer, Greek Musicians, Club Owner, Barman, Waiters, Guest (Greek). Guests (Tourist Types). It lasts 4 minutes in total and requires the following from the Props Department:
Dozen table – chairs
Bar counter and dressing
Drinks – Whisky, etc.
Small dance area in centre of floor
Musicians on rostrum.Instruments
Drinks on tray
These Special Instructions are also issued:
Smoke F.X.
PLAYBACK for song
PLAYBACK for dancing
Timing: 4 Minutes
Scene 58 requires the same characters and is also det inside the Greek Night Club. Timing: 2 Minutes.
Wednesday 4th November, 1970
Scene No.2 is set in a Executive Office & Annex on Soundstage 9, and focusing on these characters: Placide (Al Mancini), a Male Secretary and Magda Nillson. The Stage is set up as follows: GENERAL SET UP FOR LUXURY SUITE
Two-way mirror effect
Large abstract paintings
Large wall map of Europe (with Greece and Turkey marked)
Desk – chairs – setee
Intercom on desk – telephone
Slim folder files (with various photos and data)
It adds another 55 seconds to the overall time.
Scenes 4, 6, 74, 99, 101, 103 and113 all take place in the Executive Office & Annex – involving these characters: (Scenes 3 & 6) – Placide, a Male Secretary and Magda Nillson; (Scenes 74, 99, 101, 103 &113) Placide and Renzo (Alfred Marks). The only additional prop is a cablegram worded as per script.
Above: Jason in his hotel room in Pisa
Thursday 5th November 1970
A 45 second scene (4) is shot involving Placide, Renzo, Achille, Magda Nillson and a Male Secretary – – again in the Executive Office and Annex. The Props Department supply these items:
Annex dressing
Desk – chairs – settee
Intercom – Telephone
Slim folder as used in the Exec. Office – photos – data
Havana Cigar
Bottle of Vichy water – glass
Notepad for sketches – pencil
Drawings on pad as per script
Office Scenes 5 & 7 (timings, 10 and 15 seconds, respectively, once more are in the Executive Office with Placide, Renzo, Achille, Leta Sahili and the Male Secretary. While the setting remains the same, the addition of these items are added to the scene:
Photo of Jason
Photo of Nadine
The Unit move onto the studio lot for and exterior scene in the grounds of a villa, which adds a further 1.10 minutes to to film. The characters called to set are Nadine, Bearer and a Young Boy. Props include:
Clay pigeon “shoot” – Skeet
Bird Release Machine
12 Bore gun & blanks
Telegram – wording per script
Scene 97 requires no actors, as the director shoots 5 seconds of footage to “establish” a shot of the exterior of a Small Italian Hotel. Scene 104 features Jason and Nadine in the car park outside the aforementioned Hotel – a sequence lasting 25 seconds. The Props Department supply the following:
Various parked cars (Italian types) with Italian & other number plates.
Achille’s car.
Achille’s continuity car plates.
Special instructions for Scene 16 featuring Nadine are:
WEATHER COVER CALL (STUDIO) FOR LOC. Int. Section of airliner cabin.
The props required for this 25 second sequence are:
One seat section & window.
Seat belts (unfastened)
Continuity “MARK CAINE” paperback titled “AFTER YOU – DEATH”
The next scene – No.89 -which lasts just 5 seconds, is of the inside of an Italian phone box, and includes the characters Missoni and Roder, this is followed in short order by two short sequences of 15 seconds involving Jason. Special instructions are:
Int. Cars. Back projection. (Set No. 2/22).
(A) King’s Car
Props provided include: Jason’s car – continuity number plates. Back projection plates required.
Scenes 78, 81 and 83 involves Jason and Nadine. It takes place in Jason’s car, demanding the following props:
Cigarettes & lighter (Nadine’s).
Cigarettes & lighter (Jason’s).
It adds a further 20 seconds to the film.
Two 15 second shots (32, & 34) are shot next involving Jason, and 1 single shot of Nadine (Scene 61) – both inside Jason’s car. This is followed by two short sequences (85, &95) of Achille in his car which , combined, last for just 10 seconds. Props required are:
Achille’s car
Cigarettes (Disque Bleu)
Scenes 110, 126 & 138 are in Jason’s hotel room in Pisa, General dressing – Italian decor, where King is seen alone. Props for these sequences of 10 seconds are:
Bedroom/Sitting room furniture.
Jason’s continuity suitcases & typewriter (on small table).
Typing paper and carbons.
Remaining in the same hotel room, the characters of Jason and Nadine feature in Scenes 112 and 135 (2,10 and 1.35 seconds, respectively). are shot. Both are shot on Sound Stage 9.
Again in the same hotel room, shooting begins of Scene 141 involves Jason, Nadine, Renzo, Roder, a ‘Man from car’ and an Italian policeman (1). The props required are:
Roder’s gun
Box of cigars.
Small automatic under cigars.
Monday 9th November 1970
The first work of the new weeks is to complete Scene 141 inside King’s hotel room . Again, the characters required are Jason, Nadine, Renzo, Roder, a ‘Man from car’ and an Italian policeman (1). When completed, a further 2 minutes and 45 seconds are in the can.
A change of lighting is needed for Scene 115, which requires the presence of Jason and Nadine. This sequence lasts 2 minutes. Props required are:
Box of 50 Havana cigars
Cigar cutter.
Brandy.
Brandy glasses.
Matches.
Scenes 119, 121 and 123 features Jason – once more in his hotel room in Pisa. Combined, this amounts to less than 50 seconds of footage. Newly introduced props are:
Jason’s cigarettes & lighter.
Small zipped case with Beretta and blanks.
The next section to be shot (Scenes 116, 118, 120 and 122) are in Nadine’s room in the same hotel. There is a lighting change, as the action is taking place in the late evening. The room is dressed almost identically to Jason’s.
Scenes 125, 127, 137 and 139 – all which take place in the same hotel room – involve Nadine, Renzo and Roder. Combined, they add 45 seconds of footage.
Above: Jason and Nadine
Tuesday, 10th November 1970
Out on the studio Lot for Scenes 91 and 93 with Jason and Nadine enjoying a picnic at the side of an Italian road, which lasts all of 1 minute and 45 seconds. Various props are arranged, including:
PICNIC AREA
Jason’s car – continuity number plates.
Dust on car.
Sink handkerchief (as table-cloth).
French bread.
Cheese, butter, tomatoes.
Picnic basket.
Cutlery – thick tumblers. Bottle of rough red wine.
On the same lot at Elstree, a 5 second shot (92) is filmed of Achille sitting in his car watching Jason and Nadine. The props Department Supply Achille’s car and asked to “Check number plates for country of origin.”.
Still on the Lot, three very short segments (10, 12 & 14) of 10 seconds each are filmed featuring Jason standing next to some Greek ruins. The following are required from the Props Department:
Mock-up section of ruins (pillars) against skyline.
Jason’s car.
Jason’s cigarettes/lighter.
Remaining on the Lot for Scene 134 which involves Renzo, and Mussoni and Roder. They’re seen in a forest standing next to what appears to be a freshly dug grave. This segment amounts to 25 seconds of screen time. Props required are:
Newly dug ground (Grave).
Spade or Shovels.
Half smoke cigar.
Part of the Lot is now dressed to resemble an Italian street for two very short scenes of 5 seconds each (No.’s 87 & 88), featuring Jason, Nadine and Achille.
Scene 30, while still on the Elstree lot, takes us back to the car park in Greece, Cars are arranged and parked, but a special instruction is issued not show number plates in shot.
Three more sequences (No.’s 124, 136 and 140) in a mock up of an underground car park at Jason’s hotel in Pisa, which add 75 seconds of screen time and involve the characters of Jason, Renzo, Mussoni, Roder an Italian police officer and an unnamed man in a car. Latterly, various scenes that were started earlier in the shoot – namely inside the Airliner, the Italian Phone Box, inside Jason’s and Achille’s respective cars, and in Simone’s hotel bedroom (Paris); Scene Numbers 39, 41, 43, 45,47, 49 and 51. Scene 124 would be Peter’s final piece of work on the episode.
The final sections of the shoot – Scene Numbers 98, 100, 102, 106, 108, 129, 131, 125, 107, 128, 130 and 132 are shot on Soundstage 9 which have been made up to look like Mussoni’s hotel room and Achille’s hotel room – both in Pisa. The characters required for these pieces are Mussoni, Roder, Renzo, Nadine and Achille. These are to make up the final 3.35 seconds of the episode.
The entire episode was filmed on Sounds Stages 8 and 9, and on the back Lot at Elstree.
Born on December 28th, 1921, Cyril Frankel became one of the greatest icons of the British small screen, with directorial credits including episodes of classics as Gideon’s Way, The Baron, The Champions, The Avengers, Department S, Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased), Jason King, The Adventurer, Return of the Saint and The Hammer House of Mystery and Suspense.
Having worked his way up from the very bottom of Britain’s once
thriving film industry, his work directing documentaries caught the eye of producer John Grierson, who through his company Group 3, financed a factual short entitled Man of Africa, which was premiered at both the 1953 Edinburgh and Cannes Film Festivals.
From there, Frankel moved into feature films, directing titles such as Death On Horseback, Make Me An Offer, It’s Great To Be Young and the Hammer Classic, Never Take Sweets From A Stranger.
It was at this time that people had begun to set their sights more firmly on the medium of television, and he was fortunate enough to be invited by Monty Berman and Robert S. Baker at the Incorporated Television Company (ITC) to work on their new adventure series, Gideon’s Way, starring John Gregson and based on the novels of John Creasy. In all, Frankel worked on a total of six episodes of the series which ran from 1964-65. From thereon in, he was to become the automatic choice for director on Berman’s next series, The Baron 1966-67, for which he was to charge a fee of £100 per day.
After taking charge of four episodes of this popular series which starred American, Steve Forrest. as wealthy antiques dealer John Mannering Frankel returned briefly to the big screen with the Hammer production of The Witches in 1966. While filming was still in progress at Bray studios, Monty Berman arrived on set to see him and described the format of his latest creation which he’s entitled The Champions, which gave Frankel not only the opportunity to direct, but to work with producer and scriptwriter, Dennis Spooner, in his new role of Creative Consultant.
It was during the making of this novel supernatural adventure series that Frankel first came into contact with Peter Wyngarde, who had been cast in the role of a crooked surgeon (John Hallem) in The Invisible Man, which would be the second episode of the new series to be broadcast. The story told how Hallem trades in his scalpel for a life of crime when he and his partner steal $30 million in gold bullion from the Bank of England.
Happy at being given the role of ITC’s inhouse director, Frankel found himself in the unique position of being the only director on Lew Grade’s books to be on a percentage, and as such was awarded 2% of all profits made from future triumphs such as Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) Department S and Jason King.
When The Champions ceased production in 1968 with 30 episodes in the can, Frankel took charge of one instalment of The Avengers entitled Whoever Shot Poor George Oblique’s Stroke XR40?, just prior to work beginning on yet another new ITC series, Department S.
Since Berman and Spooner had been experiencing some difficulty in casting for the lead role, which was originally to be that of an ageing Oxford Don. It was Frankel who suggested that Peter would be ideal for the part having worked with him on the Invisible Man, but his proposal was met with some resistance with Berman saying, “Don’t you think he might overdo it a little?” Frankel, thankfully, beg to differ, and Peter was offered the part in spite of Reach For The Sky star Kenneth More also being in line for the job.
Peter, who had first caught Berman’s attention in the controversial ‘Whipping Scene’ in The Avengers story, A Touch of Brimstone in 1966, didn’t quite see the so fan unnamed character in quite the same way as Berman, Frankel and Spooner had, and insisted that he be given a free hand in nurturing him.
Firstly, a fitting name had to be found. Peter himself chose ‘Jason’, while the wife of actor and personal friend, Michael Bryant, suggested ‘King’.
Meanwhile. actress Rosemary Nicols who, at the time playing in the West End production of Fiddler On The Roof, and having impressed Dennis Spooner in her role as the young widow in Robert Banks Stewart’s off-beat psychological science fantasy thriller, Undermined in 1965 and a one off appearance in the Danger Man instalment, Day Of Execution, was signed to the project. Berman, in the meantime, had been dispatched the US to find the obligatory American cast member – a ploy by Lew Grade to help sell his products to the US market – returning to England with Californian, Joel Fabiani.
With the somewhat formal tweed-clad university lecturer shelved in favour of the more elegant and flamboyant Jason King, production began on Department S at associated British Elstree studios in Hertfordshire with both it and Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) being shot simultaneously.
Above: Peter and Cyril Frankel on the set of Department S
As it was, Frankel was appointed director of the pilot episodes of both Department S and Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased), which were,The Man In The Elegant Room (originally scheduled for broadcast on September 3rd, 1969, but was later replaced by Six Days) and My Lamented Friend And Partner, respectively. While the shooting schedule of both series would, initially, progress smoothly, Frankel would soon find himself running frantically between the two main sound stages in a vain attempt to keep an eye on both productions and the artists in his charge. It soon became apparent that he was spreading himself a little too thinly, and not only that, he felt that some of the leading actors were beginning to take advantage of his absence from one or the other set.
While Frankel was experiencing certain “difficulties” Kenneth Cope, who been cast in the role of the late Marty Hopkirk in Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased), Peter, he later claimed had also started to lead a lot of people and merry dance on the Department S set, although this was clearly a trait of his perfectionist nature as opposed to anything more sinister. Nevertheless, Frankel was to say that, “These two boys might have got away with murder with some other directors, but not with me!” That said, he wasn’t adverse to incorporating ideas put forward by cast members – particularly those presented to him by Peter who was, after all, instrumental in developing the Jason King character – but only if it disrupting the shooting schedule.
When push inevitably came to shove, Frankel felt that it was Department S that was most in need of his services, and towards the end of the production, he found himself working more and more frequently on the series rather than on Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased), which hadn’t been the original agreement.
In spite of their differences of opinion, Frankel did acknowledge Peter’s great talent and invaluable contribution to the success of the series, saying: “Peter is a fine actor, I cast him myself, but he did need controlling”.
In the end, Frankel would end up directing a total of nine of the twenty-eight episodes of Department S. They were as follows:
Six Days
The Man In The Elegant Room
A Ticket To Nowhere
The Man Who Got a New Face
Les Fleurs Du Mal
The Perfect Operation
The Mysterious Man In The Flying Machine
The Ghost Of Mary Burnham
A Fish Out Of Water
Of the stories he directed, Frankel named A Fish Out Of Water as his favourite, saying that it had a certain romanticism about it, and named The Invisible Man as his number one story from The Champions.
When production of Department S and Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) were completed, Frankel was asked to direct an episode of Gerry Anderson’s new live action science fiction series, UFO entitled Timelash at Pinewood Studios. When he returned to Elstree it was with Peter for the new Department S spin-off, Jason King, in which the playboy author had become even more flamboyant.
Frankel confessed that working with Peter had not become any easier, as the actor had arrived with even more extravagant ideas about his character who, legend has it, thought it might be nice to have a falcon on his arm for one scene! When Frankel point blankly refused, Peter’s reply was said to be, “Oh, you’re just so mediocre!”
Unfortunately, it wasn’t always a question of whether his ideas were good or not, Frankel was under great pressure from his employers to get at least 25 or 26 shots a day to keep up with the studio’s hectic schedule. His responsibility as director was basically to get the thing done within a given time, and that often meant sticking rigidly to the script.
Over time he would develop a habit of recasting certain actors on whom he felt he could rely, a number of familiar faces popped up in the new series, including Ronald Radd, Alexandra Bastedo, Ronald Lacey, Toby Robbins, Anton Rodgers and Juliet Harmer, to name but a few.
With the Jason King character becoming ever more flamboyant by the day, Peter would often be spotted sitting in the make-up chair as early as 5:00 O’clock in the morning in preparation for a seven O’clock start on set.
With Peter’s popularity at an all-time high, his desire to perfect every word; every scene in the series was construed by Frankel as a “Colossal ego trip” which caused no end of problems, yet the show’s creator, the late Dennis Spooner, said that he himself experienced no such disruptive behaviour, adding: “I think Peter is probably the finest actor, technically, that I have ever worked with”, and going on to name Jason King as his favourite of all the ITC shows. In the end, Frankel went on to direct a total of 12 of the 26 episodes of the series. They were as follows:
Variations On A Theme
A Red, Red Rose Forever
All That Glisters (Parts 1 & 2)
Uneasy Lies The Head
Nadine
A Kiss For A Beautiful Killer
If IT’s Got To Go, It’s Got To Go
A Thin Band Of Air
Every Picture Tells A Story
Chapter On: The Company I Keep
An Author In Search Of Two Characters
After production ceased on Jason King Frankel, who went on to work mainly in the theatre, direct other ITC series, including, The Adventurer, followed by the occasional episode of The Protectors and The Return of The Saint.
Having been approached back in the 1960s to work on television classics such as The Prisoner and The Persuaders, Frankel ended his association with the small screen in 1986 by directing a feature-length story from The Hammer House of Mystery and Suspense entitled, Tennis Court, during which he would again encounter Peter, who was also working on the Hammer episode, And The Wall Came Tumbling Down.
In the 1990s, rumours were abound that an independent production company had developed a film script for a Randall and Hopkirk (Deceased) film (not to be confused with the ITV series starring Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer series of 2000-01), and Frankel had indicated that he’d be interested in directing it. However, with ITC being controlled from the United States, it would have been likely – if the projected had gone ahead – that American stars and an American director would’ve been hired, which was something that Frankel felt many British fans would never accept, which is probably why the US-produced reboot of The Prisoner was such a huge flop.
From the moment this ‘Obituary’ was published on The Guardian website, members of the public began to make their feelings felt about the evident vindictiveness of its author. In addition to the comments below, numerous members of the acting profession – including actors, directors and producers – were also to contact The Guardian to protest. Within the hour, the piece was replaced with something that was far more balanced and competently written. This was evidently not the sublime revenge*the author had threatened or expected.
* For his banning from the Official Peter Wyngarde Appreciation Society in 2014)
“This is a thoroughly mean-spirited ‘obituary’ by someone who seems to bear a personal grudge against Wyngarde.”
“This reads less as an obituary and more as a rather nasty hatchet job……the guy was certainly an enigma, but didn’t Gielgud call him one of the finest actors of his generation? (or was that made up too?) ”
“Strikes me as a pre-prepared obit that didn’t get a second pair of eyes before being heading off to the presses. It is grossly one sided. Does he not get any credit for creating a wonderfully outrageous and camp character that inspired the hugely successful Austin Powers performance.”
“One doesn’t doubt that he was possessed of a huge ego but that’s what makes an actor, or at least what did before Eastenders up its doors for today’s talentless grunters.”
“My father’s not here for me to ask him again what it was like, but worked with PW twice. Once on The Siege of Sidney Street (1960) and a decade later on an episode of Jason King (A Thin Band of Hair) and I believe found Wyngarde nothing less than professional.”
“How did you determine that he was homosexual? Which he wasn’t, by the way. Not everything you hear, see or read is necessarily factual.”
“What a nasty piece of writing. I’m actually quite surprised the Guardian saw fit to publish it.”
“One can only imagine penning this obituary has saved its author the trouble of going along to the cemetery and urinating onto its subject’s grave.”
“It’s ok, he’s dead now Gavin. You won, well done son.”
“Well! The Grauniad doesn’t often do hatchet-jobs in its obits, but this is clearly the exception!”
!I admit I wasn’t a big fan of his, but let’s give the guy some credit! After all he was a fine actor in his day. And that moustache! Just about every bloke of my generation was growing a zapata like his, back in his heyday when he was one of the most familiar faces on TV. I certainly grew one (people said it didn’t suit me, so after a few months I shaved it off…).”
“R.I.P. Peter W. You deserve it.”
“Not the first time. Michael Hann’s piece on Sean Hughes also fits into the ‘hatchet job’ category. “
“Nasty obituary for a man who deserved far better – shame! Yes, Jason could be terribly effete but he had more style than any other TV hero and Peter Wyngarde nailed the character absolutely. I still remember the shock of learning from one episode – quite out of the blue – that Jason was a widower whose wife had been killed in an air crash.”
“Blimey, the man’s not long dead and he gets this!”
“Very disrespectful of a talented and entertaining man brought low by poisonous bigotry.”
“Shame on The Guardian. “
“What a mean spirited piece…”
“What an incredibly spiteful, mean spirited and malicious obituary. I feel very sorry for the kind of man that derives personal satisfaction from such pettiness.”
“Most of it is from Wikipedia.”
“Having fun with Wyngarde’s age and ancestry while trying to work through the actor’s own obfuscation on the subject is one thing, but the penultimate paragraph seems mean-spirited for the sake of being mean-spirited.”
“What a disgraceful review. Most of the information is supposition, guesswork and slurs and offers little in the way of fact. Written with an axe to grind from someone who would be better placed with the Daily Fail. Shame on the Guardian for allowing this kind of shoddy journalism.”
“The Guardian is getting a bit of a reputation for this sort of Obituary now, it seems… The very same comments were made about Michael Hann’s awful piece on Sean Hughes. Not at the bottom of the article, but all over Twitter and Facebook. Unfortunately they had taken the comment feature off of that one so that those of us close to Sean who knew how wrong it was couldn’t reply. Certainly both obituaries seem like the work of a tabloid dressed up in Guardian clothing. “
“Peter Wyngarde deserved something far better than this piece. Of course, as other newspapers have done, one can have sport with the seemingly preposterous moustache/suits (which, as others have commented, were pervasive at the time), but those pieces credited Wyngarde as somebody who took acting seriously.”
“Peter Wyngarde’s arrest is surely as irrelevant – in real terms – as Alan Turing’s.”
“Yuk, what a miserable hatchet job.”
“How horrible. Shame on the Guardian!”
“What a shame The Guardian memorialises Wyngarde’s with this snide piece.”
“Er, we think he did this, we think he did that, help me desk, do I have to write this?”
“The dead can’t sue!”
“Obituaries are generally one of the stronger suits the Guardian has left. This one is quite off-colour. I feel, it is a bit on the lazy side and also structurally not quite up to the job. On the other hand, my compliments to the Wikipedia author, who quite untypically relatively to his peers, was not lazy at all but invested quite a bit of time into his research.”
“What Peter Wyngarde is concerned: I came to the conviction that his whole life up to 1969 was just a preparation to become Jason King. And he did the role with such excellence that there was nothing really left to follow.”
“The Sydney Morning Herald, another publication way past its bed time, spoke to him on occasion of his visit to Australia in 1972 where he played in the Melbourne stage production of Simon Gray’s “Butley” a loser and alcoholic to boot. There he let us know:”
“I also wrote all the dialogue for Jason. well I had to as they originally had him as the type of man who’d use expressions like ‘my dears’ and ‘old boys’ and it was all terribly camp. But Jason isn’t camp – he is high-camp and that saves him.”
“He also tells us that his greatest wish was to star in a musical, admitting that he is not the greatest singer in the world. “
“Perhaps I could fake it like Rex Harrison in ‘My Fair Lady’”
“Anyway, I will take the occasion to drag out the old Department S and Jason King DVDs, travelling back to an era which was still looking up in hope and not endlessly dragged down. The eloquent Jason King in his nigh infinite flamboyance is probably one its ultimate symbols and a definite contrast to our time in which we ended up running around in deliberately washed out and ripped jeans and where the most frequent use of the word “fuck” is considered cool.”
“He did appear in at least one musical – The King and I at The Adelphi Theatre with Sally Ann Howes. The obituary seems to be written by someone with an axe to grind. Obits should be balanced but this one seems way off kilter. I agree. There was a similar obit about the folklorist Iona Opie recently that focussed upon one or two of her crankier qualities and sale of her collection, rather than a lifetime of hard work and lasting influence. That is not fair – and an obituary in a paper of record should aim to be fair and balanced.”
“For better or worse, Peter Wyngarde will be remembered for the “character” of Jason King – a character whose suaveness and “way with the ladies” have become shorthand for that brief period when the mainstream of popular culture appropriated – and vulgarised – certain aspects of swinging London and the hippy/groovy lifestyle of half a decade before. I would suggest that it was his great skills as an actor that allowed him to inhabit this role with such aplomb. Compare/contrast with say Tony Curtis and Roger Moore (both fine actors on their day) in “The Persuaders” who were utterly stiff and unconvincing.”
“Come on Guardian. Sort these obituaries out.”
“Is Vic there ? RIP Mr. Wyngarde.”
“Disappointing that The Guardian should choose to run such a distasteful hatchet job under the guise of an obituary.”
“An obituary needs to be, to some extent, a document of record, of fact. Wyngarde deliberately obscured many of the facts in his life, so the obituarist has to make do with what’s left. 400 words of “gosh, he wore funny clothes on telly, Austin Powers” isn’t much good to anyone.”
“But Tim, there is much, much more to say about the man than dates and clothes. Ask anyone.Other than born and died dates an obituary doesn’t need to be a document of record at all.”
“It can easily have a lightness of touch, and some humour.”
“The author seems the go-to guy for 1960’s / 70’s British TV & film stars, but sadly just doesn’t seem very good at it.”
“The Telegraph (I know, I know) do a great series of books covering obituaries subtitled “a celebration of eccentric lives”. That’s probably what should have been aimed for here, not this sneering, nasty, hatchet job.”
“I read similar short biographies (obviously not an obituary) about Peter Wyngarde over the years and they all point to the various mysterious claims about his age, place or birth, parentage, achievements, and more. I wish he’d written his autobiography. Jason King may be a possible influence on Austin Powers, but Wyngarde is truly the international man of mystery…”
“I understand that Matthew Vaughn twice wanted him for reasonable-sized film roles, in Layer Cake and X-Men: First Class, but on each occasion was told that he had died.”
“How fitting that today’s Edgar Allan Poe’s birthday – for that Wyngarde obituary gives the impression that Gaughan is only a pen-name for Griswold. Of course, de mortuis nihil nisi bonum – Mr. Gaughan might, like Griswold, be dead for quite some time, as it seems to be rather common to write tosh like this for a newspaper’s stockpile and use it years after it was written. Either if Mr. Gaughan is dead or still alive, it would have served this obituary if the author would have been less obsessed by the “mystery” of Wyngarde and had instead tried to inform himself a little less roughly about his work and career. But then, the spirit of Griswold still walks amongst us and would rather stick his nose into a public toilet then into over 200 successful performances of “The King and I”. It possibly was less the intention to give a fair and interesting life’s review but rather to serve the yellow press and have the last snarl?”
“Peter was one of the great TV characters of the late 60s and early 70s. A credible and sinister ‘Number 2’ in ‘The Prisoner’ set him up for ‘Department S and ‘Jason King.’ He lived out his characters and just like King would have done, flicked a tray of nonchalant cigarette ash at suggestions that he was the son of a Liverpool seaman. Instead, the son of an aristocratic diplomat, up to Oxford sometime to study Law went nicely with the man, his persona and his TV and Film characters. Interestingly, he maintained a few odd contacts up on Merseyside but as his most famous character would have said to the beautiful lady he was about to seduce… ‘I’ts purely for research purposes for my latest novel… Now, let me take your coat my dear.’ Wonderful, one of the greats.”
“Poor form writing this. Though there are many truths here there are some utterly pointless criticisms of a remarkable man who made a remarkable cultural contribution. Once again, a bad show from The Guardian.”
“Quite agree, argentofan. Recounting Wyngarde’s petty vanities at this time is at best bad form and at worst squeezes out of the obit what should have been a generous recognition of his talent.”
“What a tawdry and nasty obituary that concentrates mostly on the downside of Peter’s life. The author was allegedly banned from Peter Wyngarde’s Official Facebook page because he insisted on posting vindictive comments about the great actor on there. Peter Wyngarde was one of our finest actors and he didn’t do anyone any harm. He was a hero to millions of television viewers. He deserves a better obituary than this one straight from a gutter press author who clearly bears a grudge against the late, great Peter Wyngarde. RIP Peter. “
“Ah, that explains the vitriol. I thought the piece reeked of personal animosity. Yes, it probably boils down that Peter didn’t sign Gaughan’s autograph book in the correct colour ink or something equally as trivial.”
“You couldn’t help but like him, and his acting style. He had a point about being flamboyant. He was born OTT and went on from there.”
“Watching Department S and Jason King, made the move away from Crackerjack pencils,a kind of growth spurt into adult television.”
“This poor obituary does not become you Gavin or the Guardian.”
“I think it becomes Gavin, whoever he may be, very well indeed.”
“Just not good enough. Apart from the unnecessarily spiteful tone – sneering never becomes the obituarist – this cut-and-paste job is incomplete. Whatever the merits of Wyngarde’s curious LP When Sex Leers Its Inquisitive Head – and it did gain an audience on reissue in the 90s – it should have been mentioned, as should have been his gentle, amused presence, particularly in later years.”
“So, The Guardian, explain again how this works: an elderly actor who many people have a deep affection for because he was a greatly talented, huge entertaining part of their lives, dies, you think it appropriate to allow a hack with a personal axe to grind to write his official ‘obituary’ that does nothing but spit vitriol as though he was another Saville or Glitter? What an utter, utter joke this piece is.”
“Gavin Gaughan, read these comments, if you please! And then have a good hard think.”
“From reading these slapdash, thoroughly unkind words you’d think Wyngarde was a public hate figure on a par with Saville or Gary Glitter. What exactly did Wyngarde do to Gavin Vaughan one has to wonder.”
“Spell check wants him to change his name to Vaughan it seems. After this, that might not be a bad idea.”
“The obits from the Graughan usually describe the negatives and the positives of a notable person’s life but in a respectful and reflective manner;this essay regarding Wyngarde however is unduly cynical and flippant.It is true his career was affected by his conviction in 1975,though surely it should have been pointed out this was still an era in which Britain was coming to terms with the decriminalisation of homosexuality eight years before; apparently,Wyngarde never publicly acknowledged he was homosexual,and in fact denied it. In any case, should one sneer at his personal/sexual orientation as is implied here?”
“Regarding his acting career,his performance as the suave,witty,slightly too old playboy Jason King was a real icon of its era,perhaps arriving a trifle too late as the swinging 60’s were giving way to the more pessimistic 70’s.My late father was often mistaken for Jason King in this period too,with his droopy moustache and long hair,taking it all as a badge of honour. ‘Department S’ and the eponymous named series itself were merely fluffy,far-fetched spy/mystery dramas in the ITC mould,but Wyngarde’s performance as King provided a nonchalant,adroit resonance that gave it an extra spark.His TV career did decline after the shows ended,but what is not mentioned is that he at least managed a revival on the stage in various performances and tours,and made a decent comeback on TV in the mid 80’s in shows like Doctor Who,Crown Court and The Two Ronnies.”
“Wyngarde’s acting persona may probably have become more unfashionable from the mid-70’s onwards,but his urbane,cultured presence and impeccably modulated diction were always welcome in any film or TV programme he graced.He deserves more respect than this obituary has provided, R.I.P.”
“There is an amazing obituary to be written about the great Peter Wyngarde, highlighting the many triumphs of his long & eventful career. This isn’t it. On a personal note, in the 1990s, when I screened the Granada TV dramas South (1959) & On Trial: Sir Roger Casement (1960) at the National Film Theatre (with great success), Mr Wyngarde took the time & trouble to write to me, a beautifully hand-written three page letter, informing me about the two plays & an earlier BBC TV drama he had done, Patrick Hamilton’s Rope.”
“This article seems to making fun of details that may may not be true. wtf! name me one actor/actress without some amendment to there name or persona in some way. the whole film, TV and music industry is SMOKE AND MIRRORS!!!!! the guy was a genuine talent, the likes of which won’t be found in this modern day post x factor po-faced world where real characters aren’t allowed or tolerated anymore. Sad to see the vitriol in this article. Peter Wyngarde may not have been everyone’s glass of champagne, but he made his mark in acting, creating an icon in Jason King, and in Klytus had one of the most melodious, seductive voices ever. He was an original, a one of a kind and one that could never be copied no matter what. He will be sorely miss by those who admired him.”
“What a small minded, nasty, spiteful piece this is. Shame on the guardian for hosting it.”
“Nasty piece of work. The obituary I mean, not Peter Wyngarde.”
“Yes I must agree with the general tenor of comments that this is a nasty hatchet job. Plus there’s not many of us born these days whose birth dates are uncertain, further uncertainty about his paternity – sounds like a very interesting life worthy of further investigation – and undeserving of this kind of critique.”
“Disgraceful piece, utterly shameful.”
“If this ‘so-called ‘obituarist’ had done his homework, he may have uncovered the following critique & understood what Peter Wyngarde was truly capable of as an actor. In 1993 Keith Howes described Peter Wyngarde in Broadcasting It as “an incomparable player of dashing, juicy rakehells, men on the edge, pagan creatures. A star in the grand style, with the ability to lengthen his vowels & pierce with his eyes, never afraid to add touches of the absurd & the surreal. Remembered now not for his extraordinary range & charisma during the 1950s, but for his campy thriller-writer sleuth Jason King in the early 1970s.”
“Night Of The Eagle” is not ‘a’ horror film. It’s one of the best supernatural-themed films of all time, up there with “Night Of The Demon”.
“I was only a wee lad at the time but I still remember Peter as Sydney Carton in the BBC Sunday tea-time serial “A Tale Of Two Cities”.
“Gaughan-the-hatchet-man’ failed to mention Peter’s theatre work post-Jason King ( he was an impressive Dracula ) or that Peter was a guest at memorabilia/autograph fairs when he was in his mid-to-late 80’s. As his ITC series were made 40 years ago, that’s quite a testament to his continued popularity.”
“Well the comments section has provided The Guardian with a nice bit of market research on this appalling piece of work…… 9 out of 10 cats preferred someone else’s product.”
“I see we can report a post, but not a whole article. I‘ll have to contact the ed somehow to get this appalling piece pulled, and a proper knowledgeable obit published in its place.”
“Gavin seems nice doesn’t he?”
Click below for more on this matter and on Wikipedia…
No.1 Earls Terrace, Kensington, London where Peter lived from November 1958 until his passing in January 2018.(Right): The entrance was at the side of the Terrace.(Left): The rear view shows the balcony overlooking a his garden, which faces Edwardes Square
Peter in his bedroom – late 1960s
In his drawing room. The French windows at the back of lead out onto a balcony that overlooked his garden and Edwardes Square – a private garden for residents of Earls Terrace and surrounding houses
Drawing room: Here he is sitting on the back of his Chesterfield sofa with his Afghan Hound, Yussef at his side. The door to his left lead through to the hallway, his bedroom and kitchen
Drawing Room – Left to Right: Reading in his favourite wing-back chair; with Yussef in the same chair; with lady friend and Yussef on the Chesterfield
Drawing Room: Peter standing in front of his Edwardian fireplace
With Yussef
Once again in his favourite chair
Peter with one of his “birds”
Enjoying a magazine. The door to Peter’s left was, at the time that this photograph was taken, the room where his onetime flatmate, Alan Bates, had slept. In the mid-1990s, however, the flat was renovated and that room was converted into a kitchen, and the original kitchen, which had been at the front of the property, became the bathroom.
In one of his Georgian chairs
A selection of photographs taken in the Drawing Room. The image bottom centre was taken in Edwardes Square. You can see Earls Terrace in the background
In the Drawing Room
Sitting on the Chesterfield in his Drawing Room
Peter sitting on the rail outside his front door
Cleaning his riding boots in his bedroom
With girlfriend, Elisabeth Skjortekjole
Witney Bed Farm – Peter’s home near Stroud, Gloucestershire
Peter in his bedroom at Witney Bed Farm
Peter in the living room at Witney Bed Farm
Taken in the early 1990’s, with another of his lady friends
Having a quiet moment at Earls Terrace – August 2014
The last photo I ever took of Peter in his flatin Earls Terrace – 2016
We were in the middle of doing a clear out and I’d bobbed out to take some stuff to a nearby charity shop when he tried to send a text, only to find his phone had died. I’d bought him a new Blackberry for Christmas, but since this was mid-November, I decided to give him his present early. Here he is showing off the box it came in.Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins
My quest begins one bright sunny September morning and, armed with a map, a full tank of petrol. The journey commences.
My destination is Hertfordshire and in particular, the area within a 30-mile radius of the word famous Elstree Film Studios where, nearly 50 years ago, Department S was created.
After an uncharacteristically carefree jaunt along the M25 motorway, I reach the turn-off at Watford and the treasure hunt begins.
Since ‘The Pied Piper of Hambledown’ is a huge favourite of mine, I set off in search of the first location discovery. The village of ‘Hambledown’ beckons deep in the Hertfordshire countryside in the guise of the picturesque rural hamlet of Latimer, which I’m reliably informed, was the actual location where the episode was filmed 50+ years ago.
So along the country lanes I travelled in anticipation and uncertainty as to whether the village actually did exist or indeed whether I’d find it. My questions were soon answered as I turned the corner into Latimer and with a gasp of sheer delight, I slowly drove into the deserted, tranquil village of ‘Hambledown’, which had remained unchanged all these years and peacefully sleeping.
Right: Scene from the Department S episode, The Pied Piper of Hambledown
I pulled up alongside what was the ‘Duke of Cumberland’ public house, and after several rounds of photographs, I imagined the arrival of Jason King’s maroon Bentley, as it did in the episode. My considerable excitement was to be prolonged as I travelled on the location of doctor Brogan’s house from the same episode, which was, once again, totally unchanged.
I couldn’t resist parking my car in the exact same spot as Jason had parked his Bentley just outside the house. Although the gate was missing, the house remained as it was back then… unbelievable!
Onward then to ‘Colonel Loring’s estate – again from the same episode, which appeared in the grand form of Aldenham Grange, and despite being greeted by two ferocious Labradors behind two newly erected gates, the stately presence of this elegant house could be seen along the short driveway.
A short wait for the Colonel to appear at the staircase window went in vain, and so after a brief photo’ opportunity, I continued on to Elstree Aerodrome, where Jason and Stewart had observed the mysterious Veronica Bray “looping-the-loop” in a scene from ‘The Trojan Tanker’.
Left: Elstree Aerodrome
I should add at this point, that in between my frenzied excitement of finding an unspoilt Department S locations, my companion was having similar success hot on the trail of Steed and Mrs Peel, within 26 planned locations between us, there was not a second to lose.
As we hurtled along country lanes visualising our favourite Sixties television episodes, it occurred to me what a great Hellfire Club treasure hunt this would be.
A draw-back to this new-found hobby was soon to be discovered as we stopped at the location of the episode ‘The Double Death of Charlie Crippen’, and namely the gates of the ‘Villa Fantell’.
Holding the gates open, and secretly hoping that Jason would pass through in hot pursuit of some international villain, and posing for a photo, it became apparent that the actual gates were the entrance to a cemetery, and after several disproving looks from passers-by, we thought we’d move on to our final location – that being the crossroads where Annabelle was pursued by Russian agents en-route to the ‘Lucy Williams Nursing Home’ in ‘The Duplicated Man’. Although there was a little more traffic these days , you could still envisage those cars racing along the misty English country roads. Many of these locations doubled up for exact locations in other top Sixties and Seventies classic programmes, and I could almost imagine the various camera crews bumping into each other as they jostled for positions.
Well, 26 locations later, and with camera packed full of photographic memories, it was hard to comprehend that, 50 years ago, Peter Wyngarde had tramped this very countryside filming our favourite episodes, much of it unchanged.
So home we went – tired but elated by our experiences. With a total of 42 Department S and Jason King episodes that I know of, there are plenty reserved for another day and another story.
Click below for more about locations used in Peter’s film and television work…
Confusing Wikipedia for research and Internet gossips as a source, the British ‘papers are very good at reporting what they THINK is news, not necessarily what IS news. Here is their deeply concerning reliance on unsubstantiated social media tittle-tattle and online encyclopedias by the mainstream pressthat has fuelled many of the groundless myths about Peter Wyngarde.
On January 19th, 2018, when news of Peter’s passing was announced to the public, The Mirror tasked journalists Steve Myall and Robin Turnerto pen an article about his life.
Above: Steve Myall – relied on Wikipedia for the, a-hem, ‘facts‘
It was clear from the off that neither Myall nor Turner had ever heard of Peter Wyngarde, let alone were familiar with his body of work. But rather than drag themselves away from their desks to do some proper research on the subject, they chose instead to dredge every conceivable recess of the Internet to pad it out. including fake news ‘sites, online forums and, of course, that font of all knowledge, Wikipedia(!)
The headline screeched almost hysterically…
‘How Peter Wyngarde’s secret sex life was exposed by police, destroying career of the 1970s pin up who inspired Austin Powers’
…and so the fairy tale began.
N.B. All errors have been highlighted and their original sources identified:
‘Peter Wyngarde was one of the biggest names in TV in the mid 1970s but he hid his homosexuality and when it was exposed it signalled the end of his career.
Correction: Messer’s Myall and Turner provide no evidence of this supposed “homosexuality”; no quote from anyone who knew Peter intimately; no quote from any of his interviews confirming that he was gay. Nothing! So, evidently, their readers were just expected to take their word for it.
Jason King with his ’70s sideburns, bouffant hair and bushy moustache was the only TV detective who sipped vintage port while catching villains.
Corrections: In 28 episodes of ‘Department S’ and 26 episodes of ‘Jason King’, the character of Jason King was never ONCE seen drinking Port. His tipple of choice was, in fact, Stornoway Whisky or Champagne. The Port myth was taken from a film by the Comic Strip Presents… stable, entitled ‘Detectives On The Edge of a Nervous Breakdown’:
Broadcast 22nd April, 1993, featuring a character played by Peter Richardson called Jason Bentley (above).
Often dressed in a head- turning silk suit and cravat he would down large portions of alcohol at the wheel of a posh Bentley as he chased the bad guys. Small wonder then that Mike Myers based his hugely successful spoof spy Austen (sic) Powers on the moustached sleuth who could seduce continental beauties at the drop of his felt hat.
Corrections: Jason King was never known to wear “silk suits” or, indeed, a “felt hat!”
King was played by flamboyant Peter Wyngarde and the portrayal won him legions of female fans – he even had his own women’s fashion column. For three years while show was on air he was one of the biggest stars on the planet and in Australia was mobbed when he visited. When he arrived in Sydney Airport in 1971 he was met by an excited crowd of 35,000 fans. He was crushed when they rushed forward and spent three days in a hospital after suffering concussion.
Correction: Peter never, EVER had his own “women’s fashion column”.
In the show Department S his Jason King character often got the girl and as she is about to kiss him, he manages to avoid it . It was a clue perhaps to the secret he hid from his fans.
Correction: This statement was cut and pasted directly from Wikipedia without any attempt to disguise it. As can be seen from the screenshots below, Peter is evidently not “avoiding kissing” any of these women.
In 1975, he was arrested, convicted and fined £75 for an act of “gross indecency” in the toilets of Gloucester Bus Station*, which followed an arrest and caution for similar activities in the toilets at Kennedy Gardens in Birmingham the previous year. (*This ‘conviction’ was quashed by the Home Office in July 2023 – see later in this article).
Correction: This is a complete fabrication that first appeared on Wikipedia in 2010. The individual responsible for posting it stated their source as Stephen Richards 2003 book, ‘Crime Through Time: The Black Museum’ (Mirage Publishing – ISBN: 1902578171). However, there is absolutely no mention of this incident in the book. Latterly, Wikipedia editors chose to remove this entry from their Peter Wyngarde ‘Biography’, but it was to reappear after the publication of Mayall and Turners article following Peter’s death in 2018. Apparently, it was re-posted because The Mirror is considered a “reliable source”. The committee that regulate the PW ‘Biography’ have repeatedly refused to acknowledge the damage done to Peter’s reputation as a result of this. This is the deeply concerning, and seemingly increasing, reliance of the British press and Wikipedia in action!
After the first incident, Wyngarde was interviewed for the News of the World and the Birmingham-based Sunday Mercury, and asserted that the arrest was due to a misunderstanding; in his defence after the second incident he claimed he had suffered a “mental aberration”. But it was too late. He was dropped from mainstream acting roles and his career was virtually over. He said his career was ruined by ‘small minded people’ following his 1975 arrest. It was less than 10 years since the government decriminalised homosexual acts in private between two men and there was still a stigma attached to same sex relationships.
Corrections: Again, taken directly from Wikipedia. Peter was NEVER interviewed by The News of the World, and so never “claimed” anything. Peter was NOT dropped from “mainstream acting roles”. In 1976, he played Shylock in a hugely successful British tour of ‘The Merchant of Venice’ and was back in the West End of London playing Prince Bounine in ‘Anastasia‘ at the Cambridge Theatre. He would also appear at the prestigious English Theatre, Vienna during the same year, in ‘Dear Liar‘, returning in 1977, starring in his own production of ‘The Merchant of Venice’. He would also direct and star in the European premier of Patrick White’s (Nobel Laureate)‘Big Toys‘. In 1979, he was cast as General Klytus in Dino De Laurentiis’s Sci-Fi blockbuster, ‘Flash Gordon‘, which is now considered a classic of its genre. He also gave memorable performances in ‘Doctor Who‘, ‘Sherlock Holmes‘ and ‘The Hammer House of Mystery and Suspense‘ series.
It was not until 2007 that claims emerged Wyngarde had a relationship with fellow actor Alan Bates during the ten years he had lived with him in the Sixties. Beneath the public face of pin up heart throb he was gay but because of public prejudices, reinforced by newspapers, it was kept secret.
Correction: Taken from Donald Spoto’s book, ‘Otherwise Engaged: The Life of Alan Bates’ (Cornerstone – IBSN: 9780091797355). Peter merely shared a flat with Bates, as many young actors did at the time and still do (see the original tenancy agreement that Peter signed on 24th November, 1958 here). Spoto claimed that they had moved into the apartment in 1956 when, in fact, the lease only began in November 1958. Bates spent 2 years in the early sixties with Rock Hudson in the US, and eventually moved out in 1965. So the “ten years” was actually closer to five years! Until his death in 2018, Peter fiercely contended what Spoto had written about him, saying:
“Alan and I shared a flat and a cottage in Kent for over six years, We were both original members of the Royal Court. He lived in a Victorian flat in Battersea with the likes of Peter O’Toole, Brian Bedford who is now the resident director at the Stratford-Upon-Avon company in Toronto, Canada. We were both looking for a flat so I said we should share one to cut down on costs. I was doing The Salt Land at Pinewood, a film for TV (if you could get it I would be overjoyed) by Peter Schaffer whose dad owned the Terrace* and suggested the Garden Flat was available. We clapped hands and jumped in. The rental of the cottage came first as did the cost of working and living in hotels [in London] when either of us were working, so the flat was a blessing. In practice as it turned out that when I was working [in the West End] I would have the flat, or if he was working, vice versa. If we were both working at the same time there was a divan bed in what is now the kitchen so it was a perfect set up”. Read the above in Peter’s own handwriting here
“Beneath the public face of pin-up heart throb he was gay?” Complete supposition!
Although well-known in showbiz circles by the nickname Petunia Winegum it fell to the police – who enforced decency laws which targeted the homosexual community – to out him. Following his public exposure in 1975 bit parts followed for Wyngarde – notably as masked character Klytus in the 1980 film Flash Gordon but he did not reach the heights of his previous fame.
Correction: Yet another claim by Donald Spoto that appeared on Wikipedia. In fact, the “nickname Petunia Winegum” was coined by actor Roy Kinnear in 1966 while shooting an episode of The Avengers with Diana Rigg – the latter of whom confirmed this in a later interview. It was latterly used in a sketch by ‘The Two Ronnies’ in 1970. It was NOT well-known known in acting circles.
See earlier entry re. Peter’s work post 1975.
In later interviews he talked of how he battled alcoholism telling an interviewer in 1993: “I drank myself to a standstill … I am amazed I am still here”.
Correction: The above was cut and pasted directly from Wikipedia. Peter NEVER battled “alcoholism” and there is no proof whatsoever to substantiate this claim.
Latterly, Wyngarde’s public appearances were mainly restricted to nostalgic events commemorating television programmes where he had a cult following.
He died this week at Chelsea and Westminster Hospital aged 90.’
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Within days of this shameful article being published, a formal letter of complaint was sent to Messrs Myall and Turner via the editor of The Mirror but neither of the two journalists, nor the editor, had the decency to acknowledge it, or to correct the atrocious amount of misinformation contained within it. A further attempt was made to have it removed some months later, but we were told the following by Kate Archer of the paper’s Complaints Department:
Above: Couldn’t even get my name right!
As already stated, letters of complaint were despatched within the 12 month period demanded, but were of course ignored. This is entirely typical of the British press; trash the reputation of a man who can no longer defend himself, and then refuse to make amends when their failures are highlighted.
Since this horrendous editorial was first published in The Mirror and on their website, an attempt has been made on the latter to temper the headline in the following way…
…however, no effort has been made to correct the error-strewn body of the article, despite the disinformation contained within it being brought to their attention numerous times.
It’s interesting how they speak of shame when the journalists who wrote the article I reproduced in full earlier in this piece, and the paper itself – having doggedly refused to correct, amend or delete the highlighted errors and lies – continue to behave in a most shameful way themselves.
Following a change in the law by the British government, and further to my application in April 2023, the Home Office agreed to posthumously quash the long-disputed 1975 conviction against Peter for a “crime” he vehemently denied until his final breath. According to the Home Office itself, this conviction must now be treated by the public and media alike “as if it had never happened”.
I again wrote to The Mirror, advising them of the Home Office ruling. My email was redirected to the paper’s Data Protection Department. When I finally heard from this Department, and after wading through reams of waffle about how salacious (and wholly inaccurate) stories like this are “in the public interest” (How?,,, WHY?), they stated the following:
‘The article did not include inaccurate or misleading information about you* when it was published or since the last update (if any).’(*They clearly hadn’t bothered to read who the email was from, as they evidently believed that they were replying to Peter, who had past away in 2018!).
Really?! As anyone can see from the breakdown earlier in this piece, there’s barely a line in this article that ISN’T inaccurate!!! It goes on…
‘The article reports facts discussed in court. In particular, in line with IPSO standards, journalists are allowed to go to court and report anything which is said or given as evidence in court.’
There is nothing in the article that refers to a court! The waffle continues…
‘According to regulatory guidance, the exemption is “specifically designed to protect freedom of expression” in the interest in light of “the vital importance of a free and independent media”.
Does a “…free and independent media” mean “free” to lie through their teeth? Evidently so!
“Furthermore, we understand that the article is also compliant with the Independent Press Standards Organisation (IPSO) Editor’s Code of Practice.“
Seemingly, this ‘Code of Practice’ entails editors to completely blank letters and emails that highlight genuine concerns regarding their employees – i.e. journalists.
The journalists moto used to be, that if you want the truth, you go to the source. These days, that clearly means Wikipedia!
A.K.A. Keeping an eye on the Misinformation Corporation
“Even now, one can look online and find rumours regarding Wyngarde’s sexuality with dubious blogs claiming all manner of evidence to his proclivities for rent boys; myths built upon myths often given the Wikipedia seal of approval.” From a review of ‘Peter Wyngarde: A Life Amongst Strangers’ by Mark Cunliffe – Den of Geek
Over the years, the online encyclopedia Wikipedia has done irreparable damage to Peter Wyngarde’s reputation, both while he was alive and since his passing. The ‘committee’ of faceless Contributors to the Wyngarde ‘Biography’ – the majority of whom skulk behind usernames, too cowardly to put their real names to their often outlandish claims – guard their cobbled-together article jealously; denying even those who had been closest to Peter the opportunity to contribute or correct misinformation. As a result of their wanton misreporting which, inevitably, has seeped into the British press and across the Internet, Peter lived out the final years of his life accused of committing a ‘crime‘ for which he was holy innocent. This accusation has been proved beyond any doubt to have originated on Wikipedia in 2012, but which had absolutely no substance or basis in reality, and yet those responsible have not only point blankly refused to acknowledge the damage this has caused, but have either abused or imposed bans on those people who have attempted to set the record straight.
A warning from Wikipedia itself…
“Wikipedia is not a reliable source. Wikipedia can be edited by anyone at any time. This means that any information it contains at any particular time could be vandalised, a work in progress, or just plain wrong. Biographies of living persons, subjects that happen to be in the news, and politically or culturally contentious topics are especially vulnerable to these issues. Edits on Wikipedia that are in error may eventually be fixed. However, because Wikipedia is a volunteer-run project, not every contribution can be monitored all of the time. There are many errors that remain unnoticed for days, weeks, months, or even years. Therefore, Wikipedia should not be considered a definitive source in and of itself.”
“The prevalence of non-neutral or conflict-of-interest editing and the use of Wikipedia for “revenge editing” has attracted publicity for inserting false, biased, or defamatory content into articles, especially biographies.”
What a diabolical liberty!
Despite the untold damage that Wikipedia has done, not only to Peter’s reputation, but those of numerous other well-known personalities, they’re now begging for money from the general public to keep this hotbed of disinformation out of a competitors hands. How hard-faced can you get?!
Above: Wikipedia may be useful for something, but certainly not for the reason it was designed for!
We’re all asked to dip into our pockets for up to £100+ to keep this monstrosity running. Perhaps Mr. Wales would be better thought of if he’d put the begging bowl away and think about compensating or, at the very least, apologising to those people whose reputations have been damaged or destroyed by his rag-tag band of contributor!
The Wikipedia’s Peter Wyngarde ‘biography’ as it stood on the day of his passing
Allerrors have been highlighted and corrected
(As of 12.02.18. – it was stated in the main body of the aforementioned article that Peter passed on 18th January, 2018. This is incorrect. He actually died on 15th January, 2018).
Birth and family background
Peter Wyngarde’s date and place of birth, his birth name, and his parent’s nationalities and occupations are all disputed. His biography at IMDb which is not supported by any primary sources but often used in other accounts of his life, states he was born Peter Paul Wyngarde on 23 August 1933 at an aunt’s home in Marseilles, France. It says his British father worked for the British Diplomatic Service resulting in the family living in various countries, including British Malaya and China. He is claimed to be the nephew of French actor-director Louis Jouvet. Primary sources indicate a likely different birth name, year of birth and family background. There is strong evidence Wyngarde was born as Cyril Goldbert, possibly in Singapore, which is the place of birth Wyngarde gave on a 1960 immigration application, although a 1956 Straits Times article about his mother does give Marseille as his birthplace.
Author J. G. Ballard wrote in his memoir (and stated in interviews and private letters that he and his family knew Wyngarde as Cyril Goldbert in Shanghai during World War II.
Correction: Peter maintained throughout his life that he never knew or ever met J.G. Ballard.
Regarding Wyngarde’s year of birth there is considerable variation. Different sources quote or suggest dates between 1924 and 1933. In a 1993 interview Wyngarde claimed not to know his own age.
The given names of Cyril Goldbert’s parents and siblings match those of Peter Wyngarde. His father was Henry Peter “Harry” Goldbert, born in present-day Ukraine and raised in Singapore where his mother ran the Singapore public house, and where he became a naturalised British subject in 1919 He does not appear to have been a diplomat: travel records from the mid-1940s show that he was working as Second Chief Engineer in the British Merchant Navy. Cyril Goldbert’s mother was Marcheritta (Madge) Goldbert, nee Ahin, later Macauley, who was a Swiss national. She was interviewed in the Straits Times in 1956 about her son Peter Wyngarde’s career, by which time she had remarried. Wyngarde claimed in a 1993 interview that his mother was a racing driver.
Corrections: Peter’s father was NEVER known as “Harry”, and while Peter stated that his mother had raced cars, she was not a “racing driver”.
The full names of the two younger Goldbert children match those of Peter Wyngarde’s purportedly elder siblings: Adolphe (later Henry) Peter “Joe” Goldbert (1930–2011) and Marion Colette Simone Goldbert, later Wells (1932–2012).
Regarding Louis Jouvet being Wyngarde’s uncle, Jouvet’s biography confirms he had two brothers, neither of whom appear to be related to Cyril Goldbert’s parents by blood or marriage.
Correction: Peter spoke of his family connection to Jouvet from the early 1950s onwards, which was during the latter’s lifetime.
See the section entitled, ‘The Louis Jouvet Question…’ later in this article for further details.
Early life
Wyngarde told an interviewer that his parents divorced when he was very young, and that his father took him to China “only months before war with China broke out” in the summer of 1937.
In the early 1940s, Cyril Goldbert was living in Shanghai when the Japanese Army took over Shanghai’s International Settlement on 8 December 1941, and as a British citizen he was interned in the Lunghua civilian internment camp on 10 April 1943. Peter Wyngarde has spoken about his time in Lunghua, and it is included in his official biography.
After internment, Cyril Goldbert sailed from Shanghai to Southampton in December 1945 on the Cunard White Star Line vessel the Arawa, listed as an 18-year-old passenger. J.G. Ballard was also on board. After arriving in the UK, Cyril Goldbert disappears from public records under that name.
In a Q&A on a fan blog in April 2017, Wyngarde said that he studied in the Faculty of Law, University of Oxford for three months, before leaving to work in a London advertising agency.
Correction: This is a veiled reference to this website. The definition of a “Fansite” is as follows: ‘A website about a particular performer, group, film, etc., that has been created by fans’. This ‘site was set up as an information hub for fans, journalists, authors etc. under Peter’s own supervision.
Acting Career
In 1946, Peter Wyngarde took his first professional roles in theatre productions. An early success was in the part of Morris Albert in a production of Noël Coward’s Present Laughter which opened on 7 August 1947 at the Theatre Royal, Birmingham.
Correction: The character that Peter played was Morris Dixon, not “Morris Albert”.
Later accounts say that he was around 13 years old when he took these early roles, but Peter Wyngarde is listed as a registered voter aged 21+ in 1948, so he was 18-20 years old in 1946 and 1947.
From the mid-1950s, Wyngarde had roles in feature films, television plays and television series guest appearances. One of these, a television adaptation of Julien Green’s novel South (1959, originally Sud), in which Wyngarde featured in a lead role, is thought to be the earliest television play with an overtly homosexual theme. He appeared as Pausanias opposite Richard Burton in the film Alexander the Great (1956), played a lead role in the film The Siege of Sidney Street (1960), and appeared as Sir Roger Casement in an episode in the Granada Television’s On Trial series produced by Peter Wildeblood. Wyngarde’s film work was not extensive, but gained attention.
In Jack Clayton’s The Innocents (1961), he had brief (unspeaking) scenes as the leering Peter Quint with Deborah Kerr and Pamela Franklin. He followed this appearance as the lead in the occult thriller Night of the Eagle (US: Burn Witch Burn, 1962). By the late 1960s, Wyngarde was guest starring in television series of the time, many of them were shown internationally, including The Avengers, The Saint, The Baron, The Champions and I Spy. He also appeared in The Prisoner (“Checkmate”, 1967) as the authority figure Number Two.
Wyngarde became a British household name through his starring role in the espionage series Department S (1969). His Jason King character often got the girl and as she is about to kiss him, he manages to avoid it, much to the annoyance of co-actor Joel Fabiani. After that series ended, his character, the suave womaniser Jason King, was spun off into a new action espionage series entitled Jason King (1971), which ran for one season (26 fifty-minute episodes). The series led Wyngarde to briefly became an international celebrity, being mobbed by female fans in Australia. A revival in October 1973 of The King and I, featuring Wyngarde in the male lead role, and initially with Sally Ann Howes as Anna, ran for 260 performances at the Adelphi Theatre in London.
Correction: Below there are 18 screengrabs taken from both Department S and Jason King. all of which depict Peter kissing the same number of women. Not in one single image is he “managing to avoid it”. When this statement was passed to Joel Fabiani, he said it was one of the “Most bizarre things I’ve ever heard! Where do they get this rubbish from?!” This is another Wikipedia fabrication that has seeped into the British national press over the years(see ‘The British Press And The Web‘)
Correction: While Peter appeared in all 260 performances as the King of Siam in ‘The King and I’, not all were at the Adelphi Theatre. The production had toured mainland Britain before transferring to the West End.
Later Career
Wyngarde appeared as the masked character Klytus in the film Flash Gordon (1980) and as Sir Robert Knight in the film Tank Malling (1989) with Ray Winstone. He appeared in The Two Ronnies 1984 Christmas Special as Sir Guy in “The Ballad of Snivelling and Grudge and A Film Story”. Other TV appearances include Doctor Who (Planet of Fire, 1984), Hammer House of Mystery & Suspense (1984) and The Memoirs of Sherlock Holmes (1994).
Correction: The Two Ronnies sketch was entitled, ‘The Ballard of Snivelling and Grudge’. The words “A Film Story” did not appear.
In 1983, he acted in the thriller Underground with Raymond Burr at the Royal Alexandra Theatre, Toronto, and at the Prince of Wales Theatre, London. After leaving a 1995 stage production of The Cabinet of Dr Caligari mid-performance during previews, Wyngarde mostly stopped acting but he has done occasional voice work.
Correction: This gives the impression that Peter himself left the production midway through a performance, which is not true. The entire performance was cancelled after a hoist which was integral to the story, failed. The entire performance was cancelled. Read the full storyhere.
He appeared as a guest of Simon Dee in the Channel Four one-off revival of his chat show Dee Time in 2003. In 2007, he participated in recording extras for a box-set of The Prisoner, including a mock interview segment titled “The Pink Prisoner”.
In January 2014, he narrated an episode of the BBC 4 Timeshift documentary strand, How to Be Sherlock Holmes: The Many Faces of a Master Detective. In the 2015 documentary series for Channel Four, It was Alright in the 1960s, Wyngarde expressed his unease at having to don blackface to play a Turkish man in The Saint, but said that he had done it only in the hope that a theatre director might pick him to play Othello.
Latterly, Wyngarde’s public appearances are mainly restricted to Memorabilia and other nostalgic events commemorating television programmes.
Music
In 1970, Wyngarde recorded an album for RCA Victor entitled simply Peter Wyngarde, featuring a single, “La Ronde De L’Amour”/”The Way I Cry Over You”. The album is a collection of spoken-word/musical arrangements produced by Vic Smith and Hubert Thomas Valverde. A promo single of the track “Rape” (entitled “Peter Wyngarde Commits Rape”) was also issued in 1970.
In 1998, the album was reissued on CD by RPM Records, now titled When Sex Leers Its Inquisitive Head. According to Wyngarde himself (quoted in the liner notes of the CD re-issue), prior to the RCA deal, EMI had also been interested in cashing in on his fame and suggested issuing an album of him performing a selection of Sinatra songs. However, RCA allowed him carte blanche, assuming that the record would be a failure and could be used by them as a tax loss. However, when the initial pressings quickly sold out and it showed a profit, they declined to press any more copies.
The album is now usually treated as a curiosity because of its unusual spoken-word style and the controversial subject matter of some of the tracks.
Personal Life
In the early 1950s, he was married to the actress Dorinda Stevens for 3 years.
Correction: He was married to Dorinda Stevens for 5 years.
Wyngarde shared a flat in Earls Terrace, Kensington, with the actor Alan Bates for some years in the 1960s.
In 1975, he was arrested, convicted and fined £75 for an act of “gross indecency” in the toilets of Gloucester Bus Station, which followed an arrest and caution for similar activities in the toilets at Kennedy Gardens in Birmingham the previous year.
Correction: The Gloucester conviction has since been quashed (see confirmation from the Home Office later in this article). The Birmingham ‘incident’ has been proven beyond any doubt to be a fabrication which originated on Wikipedia in 2010. IT NEVER HAPPENED! (See details here). While it was eventually removed from Wikipedia in 2017, it was reposted in 2018, stating an article from The Mirror (19.01.18) as it’s source. However, Steve Myall and Robin Turner – the journalists that penned the article – had garnered the information from Wikipedia! This was yet another instance of lazy journalism, with two hacks choosing to cut and paste information directly from this online compendium rather than carry out proper, diligent research. You can read the full storyhere.
Wyngarde battled alcoholism at the height of his career, telling an interviewer in 1993 “I drank myself to a standstill … I am amazed I am still here”, but that he stopped drinking in the early 1980s.
Correction: The words “battled alcoholism” could be viewed as libelous, since Peter was never diagnosed as an alcoholic, nor had he ever received treatment for “alcoholism”. He had not drunk any kind of alcohol since 1980.
N.B. Much of the above is still on Wikipedia.
“Wikipedia is a broken system.”Larry Sanger – Wikipedia Co-Founder
And the misinformation, wild inference and outright lies roll on…
Contentious 1975 conviction quashed…
As of Tuesday, 4th July 2023, the 1975 conviction against Mr. Peter Paul Wyngarde was quashed by the Home Office (UK Government). This means that it has been removed from all official records and must now be treated as if it never happened. We respectfully request that you remove all references to it from your website.
At the time of writing, Wikipedia editors have declined to acknowledge this.
Assumptions…
Wikipedia currently have the following statement on their Peter Wyngarde Biography page: “It was always assumed within the acting community that Wyngarde was gay”[1], and yet they have not produced a single individual from the “acting community” who has been willing to validate this.
[1]: Taken from Donald Spoto’s book, ‘Otherwise Engaged – The Life of Alan Bates’.
Peter’s background and early life…
Much has been made by Wikipedia contributors and editors of the fact that some of the details pertaining to Peter’s early life has been embellished, but that wasn’t unusual for actors of his generation. While today it’s fashionable for actors and musicians to claim to come from humble beginnings, back in the 1940’s and 50’s theatrical agents, who were invariably responsible for writing biographies for their clients, preferred to sprinkle a pinch glamour over a young actor’s back story. Anyone who does not acknowledge or understand this has no business writing about actors!
While Peter has seemingly been singled out for special treatment over this by Wikipedia, he was certainly not alone in this practice. Here are a few examples of thespians that fibbed about their age and origins:
Both Joan Crawford and Humphry Bogart both lied about their age on their respective resumes.
British actor, Robert Patterson stated that he’d studied at both Oxford University and at RADA. He hadn’t!
Jay Robinson who played Emperor Caligula in both ‘The Robe’ and Demetrius and the Gladiators’, claimed to be Anglo/American, and that he’d appeared in numerous plays in England before moving to the United States. In actual fact, he was born in New York to American parents, and brought up in Florida!
Marlon Brando insisted that he’d been born in Cairo, Egypt, when he’d actually been born in Omaha, Nebraska.
Matinee Idol, Errol Flynn told numerous tales of his daring-do in the jungles of New Guinea, where he’d supposedly lived and worked as a youth. He also claimed that he’d once been arrested and charged with murder, but was acquitted after a mystery gold prospector gave evidence in his favour. After stealing gems from an older woman he’d taken up with; bought a small yacht and single-handed sailed to the US.
William Hartnell, who was the first actor to play Doctor Who, stated that his father was a farmer but latterly said he was a soldier who’d taken up stockbroking.
It would seem that a lot of people today have a grandiose sense of entitlement that never exited in the days before the Internet. While the Gutter Press might well have seen public figures such as actors, musicians, politicians and even members of the Royal Family as fair game, even they had the decency to know where the line was drawn.
What we have now is a new breed of armchair nosey-parkers who, encouraged by the likes of Wikipedia, believe that they have a God-given perogative to know every micro detail about other peoples lives, to the point where the target for their intrusion no longer have the right to any amount of privacy. This voyeuristic attitude that now prevails.
In the case of the Peter Wyngarde ‘biography’ alone contributors to the piece, while still stuck on the idea that Peter was born in Singapore, have admitted to contacting record offices over there in attempt to acquire private documents pertaining to his birth. Similarly, after his funeral in January 2018, one of their number was to contact Golders Green Crematorium in a further endeavor to garner personal information. It would seem that, even in death, there is no end to the prying.
Intentional bias…?
While Wikipedia’s own guidelines speak of “impartiality” and “neutrality”, the Peter Wyngarde ‘biography’ currently has the following entry – taken from The Guardian’s universally panned ‘obituary’ of 18.01.18:
“His director*, Cyril Frankel, said: “It got to a point where he wouldn’t accept direction.”[4] Frankel also said: “He was a very fine actor, but unfortunately a difficult person.”[63].
*Cyril Frankel wasn’t the only person to direct Peter on Department S and Jason King, but was the only one to have anything negative to say. This is not pointed out by anyone associated with the Wikipedia ‘biography. Here is a quote from Dennis Spooner – writer, script editor and producer of both Department S and Jason King – who worked with Peter numerously in the 1960’s, 70’s and 80’s, which the Wiki’s might care to use in the name of fairness:
“Peter was always a very courteous man, easy to work with, and who behaved off screen with the same suave sophistication that some of his on-screen roles demanded.”
“Claims…?”
The W.P. ‘biography’ currently states the following:
“The organiser of The Hellfire Club took Wyngarde’s surname after his death[109] and in 2020 she published a biography which claimed to draw on personal knowledge of the subject.”
It is not “claims” but FACTS! I have provided a great deal more evidence to substantiate what I’ve written – certainly more than any other biographer, and it’s far more concrete than the “reliable sources” – i.e. tabloid newspapers – that contributors to this particular biog rely upon.
Cherry Picking…
As of July 2023
“In the late 1950s he moved to a flat in number 1 Earls Terrace off Kensington High Street in London. He would live in the same building for the rest of his life. He shared a flat there for some years with fellow actor Alan Bates and according to some sources this was a romantic relationship.[60][65][88] It was always assumed within the acting community that Wyngarde was gay[89] and while the nickname Petunia Winegum is often quoted[88][90] it may have originated in a comedy sketch rather than being a genuine nickname.[62]“
“….according to some sources this was a romantic relationship“: Wiki’s source in this instance is The Guardian (18.01.18), and the journo’s source, in turn, was that great god of all things Wyngardeian (apparently!), Donald Spoto and his 2007 book, ‘Otherwise Engaged: The Life of Alan Bates’).
As for the rest…
The Wiki’s relied on a 2013 article by The Guardian’s Mark Brown who, (surprise! Surprise!) had copied and pasted his info from Donald Spoto’s aforementioned book.
An article from The Times (unknown author – 18.01.18) which, again, had relied on claims made by the omnipresent Spoto.
And, finally, SKY News (18.01.18) which, wouldn’t you know it, were also quoting from that great sage, Spoto.
The ‘Contributor’ that wrote and posted this paragraph seemingly believes that, just because 3 different newspapers/news outlet uses the same source or, indeed uses each other as a source, that somehow strengthens what they’re saying.
Peter vehemently denied Spoto’s claims (see ‘Peter Wyngarde: A Life Amongst Strangers Companion‘ to read what he had to say in his own hand). However, the conglomerate that have written and jealously guard the PW ‘biography’ incessantly refuse to acknowledge this as it clearly doesn’t fit their agenda.
The Louis Jouvet Question…
The group of people that manage the Peter Wyngarde ‘biography’ on Wikipedia have disputed the relationship between Peter and the French actor and director, Louis Jouvet. Since they claim to only accept professionally published sources, here are just a few that make mention of that link:
‘O Comediante Desencarnado – Reflexões de um ator itinerante’
Translation: ‘The Disembodied Comedian – Reflections by an itinerant actor’.
Publisher : É Realizações; Artes e Cultura edition (January 1, 2014) Language: : Portuguese Brazilian ISBN-10 : 8580331668
Original Portugese/Brazilian: O renomado ator e diretor de teatro foi responsável pela montagem de peças de Jean-Paul Sartre, Jean Genet e Jean Giraudoux. Dirigiu La Comédie des Champs-Elysées, encenou em L’Athénée – tornando a casa conhecida, nesse período, como Théatrê de l’Athénée Louis-Jouvet – e foi professor no conceituado CNSAD (Conservatoire National Supérieur d’Art Dramatique). Também escreveu ensaios e atuou no cinema, com destaque para o filme Copie Conforme (1947). Jouvet inspirou o personagem Anton Ego, do filme Ratatouille (Pixar, 2007). O ator naturalizado inglês Peter Wyngarde é seu sobrinho.
Translation: The renowned actor and theater director was responsible for assembling plays by Jean-Paul Sartre, Jean Genet and Jean Giraudoux. He directed La Comédie des Champs-Elysées, staged in L’Athénée – making the house known, at that time, as Théatrê de l’Athénée Louis-Jouvet – and was a professor at the renowned CNSAD (Conservatoire National Supérieur d’Art Dramatique). He also wrote essays and acted in the cinema, with emphasis on the film Copie conform (1947). Jouvet inspired the character Anton Ego, from the movie Ratatouille (Pixar, 2007). English naturalized actor Peter Wyngarde is his nephew.
The following cutting was taken from the Monday, August 2nd, 1954 northern edition of The Times
Both of the above (and other references in the media) were published during Louis Jouvert’s lifetime, and yet he repeatedly failed to deny or challenge them
In view of the fact that much of the Wiki-Committee’s ‘biography’ depends upon information derived from newspapers, and that Wikipedia itself judges The Times to be a “reliable source”, it should follow that the information relating to Peter’s uncle found in THIS extract from the above mentioned daily must also be considered dependable and trustworthy(?)
J.G. Ballard: Making claims…
July 2023
Wikipedia currently state the following on the subject of author, J.G. Ballard:
“The British author J. G. Ballard was also interned at the Lunghua camp and he travelled to the UK with Wyngarde and other former internees. In 1995, he wrote:
Peter Wyngarde was in the camp, under his real name of Cyril Goldbert. We came to England on the Arrawa, and I bumped into him once or twice in the 1950s. The last time, when he had begun to be successful, he cut me dead in St James’s Park. In interviews he claims that his father was a French [sic] diplomat and is vague about his age, sometimes claiming to be younger than me. In fact, he is at least four years older than me [Ballard was born in 1930], and played adult roles in the camp Shakespeare productions.[57]
Wyngarde always denied knowing Ballard or said he could not remember, but in an undated letter published by his biographer in 2020 he confirms that he knew Ballard.[58]”
Peter did NOTconfirm that he knew Ballard in Lung Hau! He maintained until the end of his life that he had never known, or knowingly met Ballard during the time they were in the camp. He states in the letter (referred to by Wikipedia – see below) that he (Ballard) MAY have been someone by the name of “Bryant”, but he was unable to confirm one way or the other. This is yet ANOTHER example of words being twisted to fit the narrative.
2012 “Professional Biography”…
“A professional biography of the actor was published in 2012 by the organiser of the Six of One, the appreciation society of The Prisoner TV series.[104][105] It was reissued in 2019.”
This biography was first published by Escape Books , which is the in-house publishing company of The Prisoner appreciation society, Six of One, and was basically a list of Peter’s film, stage and TV work – based, for the most part, on the listings from the original Official Peter Wyngarde Appreciation Society website (an acknowledgement of such is in the first edition). The book was self published with no input from Peter. Indeed, mention was made of this back in 2018 by someone calling his or herself ‘Muzilon’, who one of the regular contributors to the Wikipedia Peter Wyngarde ‘biography’:
“Roger Langley’s 2012 biography of Wyngarde (self-published, so I don’t know if that counts as a “reliable source” as far as Wikipedia is concerned) contradicts The Times slightly by saying Wyngarde appeared as a Shakespearean actor in *Austria* (not South Africa) in 1975-76; and that his tour of South Africa was actually in a 1981 production of Ira Levin’s Deathtrap.” —Muzilon (talk
N.B. See later in this article that this Peter Wyngarde ‘biography’ editors can’t seem to ,make their mind up whether this book is a “professional” publication or merely an “unreliable”, “self-published” fan pamphlet.
“He [Peter] called Vivien Leigh “the love of my life”[91] but none of her biographies report that they were lovers.” Wikipedia ‘contributor’
Well, here’s some of the books that DO report on their relationship, and these are just the ones I could think of off the top of my head…
Above: Excerpt is from ‘Olivier: The Authorised Biography ‘ by Terry Coleman (ISBN-10: 0747577986 – 2005):
Above: ‘Vivien Leigh’ (ISBN-10: 0330311662 – 1990) by Hugo Vickers (ISBN-10: 0330311662 -1990)
Above: ‘Damn You, Scarlett O’Hara: The Private Lives of Vivien Leigh and Laurence Olivier’ by Darwin Porter and Roy Moseley (ISBN-10:1936003155 – 2011)
Above: A cutting from the 24th November, 1960 edition of the Detroit Free Press.
Above: The following excerpt is from ‘Olivier: The Authorised Biography ‘ by Terry Coleman (ISBN-10: 0747577986 – 2005):
Peter’s marriage to Dorinda Stevens….
It would now appear that Peter’s marriage to Dorinda Stevens is an accepted fact by the Wikipedia Wyngarde ‘biography’ editors and contributors, but that wasn’t always the case, as aspersions were oft cast and conspiracy concocted to help substance to their widely-held conviction that Peter was homosexual. The following, for instance, was posted just 4 days after Peter passed away….
“Convenient there would be no record*. And of course, PW always told the truth about his early life.” Jack1956 (talk) 09:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
*Peter and Dorinda were married in Italy.
Even poor Dorinda’s sexuality is called into question…
Another example of reliance on their own imaginations for the facts!
The latest from Planet Wiki is the following regarding a reference I made to Peter’s wife, Dorinda Stevens in my book, ‘Peter Wyngarde: A Life Amongst Strangers‘:
“The 2020 biography of Wyngarde asserts that Stevens was bisexual or possibly a lesbian.”
Er, no it doesn’t! In actual fact, it was merely a reference something that had entered Peter’s mind for less than a nano second! This isn’t the first time this kind of nonsense has been randomly plucked from their respective backsides, or words put into someone else’s mouth!
Peter’s estranged family…
Thishas recently been replaced with…
“However, the siblings were not reunited and Wyngarde chose to have very little further contact with his brother and sister for the rest of their lives. He outlived them both and also had no contact with his nieces* and nephews, including Henry’s Jr’s two sons who were named executors of his estate.”
this…
Henry Jr’s sons were executors of Wyngarde’s estate,[38] possibly against his wishes.[39][40]
Peter had three nephews but only ONE niece, so it’s uncertain where the idea of “nieces” (plural) came from.
Neither of Henry Jr’s two sons (Ian and Stephen Goldbert), were “named executor” of Peter’s Will. Peter named his agent and close friend, Thomas Bowington, Executor on Wednesday, 1st November, 2017.
The Goldbert did not “possibly” ignore their uncles’s wishes by claiming his estate for themselves, they DID ignore his wishes!
Rejection of Peter’s stepbrother, Paul Edouard Juvet…
Until only recently.the individuals that guard the Peter Wyngarde ‘biography’ had repeatedly dismissed Peter’s stepfather, Charles Léo Juvet, and still ignore his stepbrother, Paul Juvet. Again, this appears to be a case of cherry picking information.
After Peter’s father, Henry Goldbert died at sea in 1947 his mother, Marcheritta, met and married Charles. They had one son, Paul Edouard, who was born in February 1938. Paul latterly joined the French Foreign Legion, rising to the rank of Master-Chef (Senior Sergeant). He passed away in Geneva in September 1998 at the age of 60.
See references to Paul Edouard Juvet in ‘Peter Wyngarde: A Life Amongst Strangers’ – Pages 20, 109, 144 & 355.
The National Theatre..
The following was sent to me by a member of the Official Peter Wyngarde Appreciation Society. It’s regarding four topics I make mention of in my book, ‘Peter Wyngarde: A Life Amongst Strangers’.
“Leaving aside the claims made in the book about Wyngarde’s personal life, the assertions in its pages that Laurence Olivier wanted him to appear at the National Theatre but was overruled by Peter Hall, that the Monty Python team wanted him to appear in Monty Python’s Flying Circus, that producer Peter Rogers wanted him to play the young hero role in the Carry On films, and that he was considered as artistic director of the Chichester Festival Theatre are all extremely unlikely, and not verified anywhere else.”Dolmance (talk) 10:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
Response: Much of what appears on the Wikipedia PW biography page isn’t “verified anywhere else”, but they don’t appear to have had any qualms about using them. For instance, they quote from several other published books, but appear to take the author’s word as read.
There are several points I’d like to make on this:
A letter from Lawrence Olivier to Peter Wyngarde dated Thursday, 18th April, 1974 regarding the proposed appointment at the National Theatre.
Letter from Eric Idle to Peter Wyngarde dated Wednesday, 24th January, 1973 stating that the Monty Python team wished him to take part in some capacity on the TV show.
A. Letter from MCA (signature illegible) – 139, Piccadilly, London W1 – to Peter Wyngarde dated 20th June, 1962. B: Letter from Peter Rogers to Peter Wyngarde dated Monday, 8th October, 1962.
A handwritten copy of a letter exists by Peter Wyngarde (1999) as way of application.
Comments:
There is only one set of objective facts and figures, so there will always be speculation .. the difference between PW and much of the others thesps who issued flowery biogs and standard changing of names is PW for whatever reason must have had qualms about his early life .. being interned by the Japanese must have played a factor. He would have been a fascinating subject for ‘In the psychiatrists chair’ which therein lies the paradox as that gear is confidential.Deepinder Singh Cheema, Castle Bromwich
Peter told me that he’d felt abandoned to the Civil Assembly camp as a child by his Mother, and the fact that she chose to remain in Singapore with her new husband, rather than her travelling to England to meet him on his repatriation, caused him to “hate” her for a long time. He really only began to forgive her in later life.
Additionally, his father was away at sea during Peter’s formative years, and he passed away when P was 19, so he hardly knew him at all.
On their return to Britain, his two siblings were placed with a family in Liverpool, while Peter himself lived in the south, so he had no real contact with them. His sister, Marion, emigrated to the USA with her new husband in 1952, and when he was old enough his brother, Henry, joined the Royal Navy. He didn’t see Marion again until 1977 (this was also the last time he saw her).
He had scant contact with Henry; the first and last time he saw him after he left the Navy was in 1973, when Peter had left tickets at the box office of the King’s Theatre in Southsea when he was appearing there in 1973. Henry passed away in 2012, and Marion died in 2013. Peter declined to attend either of their funerals.
He told me that when his father passed away at sea in 1947, he realised that he was entirely alone, and it was then that he decided to cut all ties with the past by changing his name and starting a new life. Tina Wyngarde Hopkins
It is a shame he was given an ” alternative biography”. PW’ s own true life was infinitely more interesting and, dare I say it? , inspiring. Mike Dinken, West Palm Beach, Florida
Peter, as you observe, Tina, would by no means be unusual as an actor in embellishing or changing details of his biography. I remember reading a biography of Humphrey Bogart in which it was stated that one of his favourite things to do at the film studio was to go to the publicity department and help them concoct preposterous details about his life to add to press releases. He thought it was hilarious. Tania Donald, Melbourne.
Continued reference to The Guardian’s censured ‘obituary’ of 18.01.18…
“One obituary described Wyngarde as playing the role “in the manner of a cat walking on tiptoe, with an air of self-satisfaction”, but that increasingly his acting became more mannered and he came to believe his own publicity.”
“An obituary reported that he lived partly on social security benefits.”
The “obituary” referred to above, and from where these two segments were taken, was written by Gavin Gaughan – a semi-regular contributor to The Guardian and The Independent newspapers. While Wikipedia repeatedly bang on about “facts” and “reliable sources”, this sentence is merely the personal observation on an individual with a clear and obvious axe to grind, and so cannot possibly be described as factual. He is also involved to some degree with the Wikipedia Peter Wyngarde ‘Biography’. Such was the the public bask lash to this spiteful and inaccurate piece of fiction, that The Guardian were forced to replace it within the hour with something more balanced and competently written.
When Richard White, The Guardian’s Obituaries Editor learned of Mr Gaughan’s behaviour in the years leading up to the publication of this ‘obituary’ (he had repeatedly posted Homophobic slogans on the the Official Peter Wyngarde Appreciation Society Facebook group page and then when barred from there, threatened to write a hatchet job on the occasion of Peter’s death), he was unceremoniously dropped by the ‘paper. Click here to read the full sordid story.
The fact that these Wikipedia editors/contributors continues to quote from this appalling article speaks volumes!
The following has been taken from conversations between the group of individuals that maintain the Peter Wyngarde Biography of Wikipedia…
‘On the same issue of published books, Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins who manages the website, blog and Facebook group for PW’s appreciation society, and who says she was his romantic partner for 30 years, has announced that she has written a book called Peter Wyngarde: A Life Amongst Strangers. It will be published by Austin Macauley in 2019. I hope she doesn’t lose money, because Google reveals that the publisher does not have a great reputation. For clarity in following previous edits, Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins is the same person who was previously called Tina Bate. See https://www.thegazette.co.uk/notice/3065030 Theheartof (talk) 13:39, 28 February 2019 (UTC) 13:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
This lady has made a number of unsubstantiated and unverifiable claims about her relationship with Mr Wyngarde since his death including a denial of his documented homosexuality*. I do not therefore think that her hagiographical biography is going to be a reliable source! Dreamspy (talk) 22:57, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Despite being challenged several times to produce this supposed “documented” evidence of Peter’s “homosexuality”, ‘Dreamspy’ failed todo so. It can only be assumed therefore, that he/she must have been referring to tabloid speculation.
Meanwhile, ‘Dolmance’ [see below] would insist here that Peter had been a “gay man”, but would latterly downgrade him to “bisexual”.He also profess to have the gift of foresight – predicting what would and would not be included in my (then) forthcoming book:
Sadly, that’s true — a sympathetic biography of Wyngarde could be written taking a view of him as a gay man prevented by society from being himself, but she won’t even concede that that was what he was. It’s also very likely that she’ll try to explain his barely working, in later life, as an example of his “perfectionism”, when in reality he hardly helped his cause by terming people who could have given him work “mediocre”, and remaining shackled to the outdated, kitschy Jason image. Dolmance (talk) 14:27, 2 April 2019 (UTC)’
Of course, it’s easy to make wild guesses and grandiose statements about other people’s private lives when you’re hiding behind a made-up name.
They spoke of “unsubstantiated and unverifiable claims” about my relationship with Peter whilst spouting unsubstantiated and unverifiable claims about me. Why should I have to prove anything to these people or anyone else? While too afraid to show their true faces – they expect me to produce evidence of my private life to them.
Incredibly, all one needs to do to create an account with Wikipedia is to enter your name (it evidently doesn’t even have to be your real name!) and an email address into a form and, voila! you’re basically free to write whatever you like about whomever you like.
When I initially saw the Wikipedia Peter Wyngarde Biography page some years ago, it was literally a mishmash of tabloid tittle-tattle and uncorroborated rumour which I immediately challenged. As a result of my refusal to back down, and my posting contrasting and far more detailed information on this website, those responsible for the ‘biography’ were forced to clean up their act.
However, since Peter’s passing, they’ve sunk to a new low by quoting numerously from Gavin Gaughan’s censured ‘Obituary’ (The Guardian 18.01.18 – see later in this article), which speaks volumes about the quality of their sources. Now it seems that I’m the latest target of their bluster.
The following is a recent conversation I had with this crew in relation to their postings (above)…
From Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins:
I have been reading the above with interest and admiring the prophetic gifts of Messrs ‘Dreamspy’ and ‘Dolmance’ in relation to my forthcoming book. While the website for my biography is cited in the text above, it appears that neither of these characters have bothered to read the independent reviews posted on there, which state numerously that it’s one of the most frank and honest biographies that each of the critics has ever read.Knowing the type of cynics I’d be forced to contend with when I decided to undertake this project – yourselves included – I stated from the outset that I would deliver it to both fans and critics – warts and all! The story I tell has been corroborated with documentary evidence, and by Peter’s friends, enemies and colleagues alike.
For the record – I do not have an obligation to substantiate or verify my private life to a bunch of faceless people who continue to skulk behind usernames. I couldn’t care less whether you believe my story or not. However, if ‘Dolmance’ and ‘Dreamspy’ wish to put their money where your mouth is when the book is published and challenge it as a work of fiction, I shall look forward to hearing from them.
With regard to my change of name: This was a private matter between Mr Wyngarde and myself, and I’d thank you to stay out of my business.
Given that you are still using the so-called ‘Obituary’ from The Guardian (18/01/18) as a ‘reliable'(?!) source speaks volumes. Did you not notice the number of complaints that this vile piece received from the public? Were you not aware that the creator of this piece of fiction was dumped by The Guardian when they learned of his underhandedness and the reason that he wrote this hatchet job? Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins (not hiding behind a username) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins (talk • contribs) 19:59, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
From Martin Evans (Member of the committee that guard and contribute to the Peter Wyngarde biography on Wikipedia)
Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins, I’m also “not hiding behind a username” either. You seem to be disputing the accuracy of one of the sources. I wonder could you clarify which one you mean. As far as I can see, the article currently has at least 8 different sources either directly published by The Guardian or published through it. But none of them seems to be dated “19/01/18”. Furthermore, although you don’t directly name the author of the disputed obituary piece, you seem to be making some rather serious allegations about them, which you may wish to withdraw, or else to substantiate with published facts. You also say “I’d thank you to stay out of my business”; but, as you may be aware, for purposes of WP:PSCOI, you may be required to briefly make your relationship with Peter Wyngarde quite clear. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:17, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
From Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins: :
The article to which I refer was quoted a number of times in the main body of the PW biography. It was written by Gavin Gaughan and published in The Guardian on 19th January, 2018.
I do not wish to withdraw what I said about the author of the aforementioned piece as it is true. I have an email from The Guardian’s Obituaries Editor, Mr. Robert White who, having learned what had led up to Gaughan penning the article, wrote: “I cannot foresee any situation in which Gavin Gaughan would be asked to write for us again.”
Re. “as you may be aware, for purposes of WP:PSCOI, You may be required to briefly make your relationship with Peter Wyngarde quite clear.” That is never going to happen! I don’t see anyone else having to provide evidence of THEIR relationships. It just smacks of voyeurism!
I feel that the two individuals to whom I referred previously – namely ‘Dolmance’ and ‘Dreamspy’ – should retract their wildly speculative comments about me and my forthcoming book. They have absolutely no right to question my integrity, or to make wild speculations about a product prior to it going on sale that might damage the reputation of both its creator and the product itself.
The Wyngarde Estate would also be interested in seeing the “published documentation” (referred to above) that they claim categorically proves beyond doubt that Mr Wyngarde was “homosexual”.Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.28.74.222 (talk) 20:53, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
From Martin Evans
Hello again Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins. Thanks for your swift response. Regarding “That is never going to happen”, have you actually read WP:PSCOI? Regarding Gavin Gaughan, you’ll note that I said “published facts”, not private emails to which only you have access. If you have a problem with this source, you’ll need to explain where you think it is materially wrong, i.e. which items in the article are untrue or should not be included because that source can be shown to be unreliable. You (and any other editors trying to follow this thread) might find it useful if you always logged in to your editor’s account and always singed (sic) your posts with four tildes (sic). Thanks.Martinevans123 (talk)21:05, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
From Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins:
Dear Martin Evans,
Thank you, but I’m not interested in WP:PSCOI. I don’t feel that I have to justify myself to anyone – certainly not Wikipedia!
Regarding the Guardian article: I feel that it would be highly unlikely that such a high profile daily newspaper would publish the fact that they’d been obliged to unceremoniously drop one of their regular contributors, so to expect “published facts” is ludicrous!
It was clear from the outset that all Mr Gaughan had done was trawl the internet for any kind of malicious gossip and/or unsubstantiated tittle-tattle which he then cobbled together under the auspices of an ‘obituary’. It speaks volumes about the people who maintain this PW biography that, in spite of the number of complaints this particular article attracted from the public, they still persisted in using it as a “reliable source”.
Further to the use of Robert Sellars book, ‘Don’t Let The Bastards Grind You Down’ (as mentioned above): One doesn’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to deduce that Mr Sellars had used Donald Spoto’s biography, ‘Alan Bates: Otherwise Engaged’ as a source. Indeed, most of the paragraphs devoted to Mr Wyngarde in his book are quoted almost word-for-word. It should be pointed out to some of your ‘colleagues’ that just because something is published/repeated more than once, it doesn’t make it more true. I intend to dispel the claims made in both of these “legitimately published books” via my biography, using REAL documentary evidence.
We still await Dreamspy’s “documented evidence” that supposedly categorically proves that Mr Wyngarde was “homosexual” (this should not include 44-year old tabloid cuttings that report on a specific incident in 1975. This would not demonstrate what ‘Dreamspy’ alludes to).
I’d also like to remind ‘Dreamspy’ and ‘Dolmance’ to remove their slur on my integrity. Neither of these characters know me personally and therefore have no justification in suggesting that I am anything other than who I say I am, and 100% honest. They should also remove the guesswork regarding my forthcoming book. Again, they know absolutely nothing of its content, and therefore have no basis for their outlandish remarks.
N.B. I have absolutely no interest in Wikipedia protocols. Once the document(s) referred to here have been forwarded and the comments about myself removed from this page, I shall have nothing more to do with this contemptible website. — Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins (talk • contribs) 10:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
Now come the threats, as were referred to by Sharyl Attkisson in her exposé, ‘The Dark Side of Wikipedia’ (see the head of this article).
From Martin Evans
You say you are “not interested in WP:PSCOI” and that you have “absolutely no interest in Wikipedia protocols”. If that is the case you can expect to have your account indefinitely blocked as being WP:NOTHERE. Good luck with your forthcoming book, which other editors may or may not find a useful source for this article. Regards.Martinevans123 (talk) 18:03, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
While it appears acceptable for these so-called “editors” to publish just about anything they like about any individual they choose, the moment you complain or request evidence of their assertions, they immediately move to block your account. It’s as if these faceless people are playing God with other people’s lives and reputations, but refuse to take responsibility for, or criticism of, their actions.
With Messrs ‘Dreamspy’ and ‘Dolmance’ remarkable Delphic gifts, I wonder why they continue to relying on tabloid newspapers for information, when all they need do is look into the future for the requisite tittle-tattle and unsubstantiated gossip necessary for their article!
Needless to say, the “documented evidence” that Peter was “homosexual”, as referred to by Messrs ‘Dreamspy’ and ‘Dolmance,’ was never forthcoming!
Did you know… that an average of 1,000 people are blocked from Wikipedia EVERY DAY for attempting to edit or correct misinformation on the encyclopedia’s website? Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins was to become one of that number in 2016 when she dared to put right the mass of inaccurate content that made up the Peter Wyngarde ‘biography’.
“I’ve done quite a bit of reporting about how Wikipedia is definitely NOT “the encyclopedia anyone can edit.” It’s become a vehicle for special interests to control information. Agenda editors are able to prevent or revert edits and sourcing on selected issues and people in order to control the narrative. My own battle with Wikipedia included being unable to correct provably false facts such as incorrect job history, incorrect birth place and incorrect birth date.” Sharyl Attkisson – Emmy Award-Winning Investigative Journalist and New York Times Best Selling Author.
Watch Sharyl Attkisson’s jaw-dropping exposé, ‘The Dark Side of Wikipedia’ here
Cyril Louis Goldbert, Wyngarde, Peter, Peter Paul Wyngarde, Cyril Goldbert
Birth:
Aug 23 1928 Marseille
Nationality:
United Kingdom
Occupation:
Actor
Residence:
Marseille
This particular website, just like Wikipedia, invites any Tom, Dick or Harriett to contribute information, or to edit the details contained therein. Contributors to the Wikipedia Peter Wyngarde ‘Biography’ have repeatedly used My Heritage as a source. Perhaps someone should inform them that, apart from a couple of weeks following his birth, Peter has never been a resident of Marseilles!
The point, as above, is that if there are inaccuracies in a supposed primary source, then you have to ask yourself, what other pieces of so-called “reliable”(!) or ‘substantiated evidence’(!!) did this particular Author rely upon to compile his article? And how many others have, in turn, used his work as a source?
Sorting the wheat from the chaff…
Isn’t it strange that the guru’s who have been writing, monitoring and defending all the misinformation that has made up the Peter Wyngarde ‘Biography’, are content for us to believe that what we read on Wikipedia is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, whilst continuing to insist that anyone using OUR ‘site should “use caution”? This is in spite of our website being compiled by someone who knew Peter Wyngarde intimately for 30 years, based it on personal experience and relying on original documents and first-hand accounts. BIZARE!
Whilst they regard us with suspicion, they refer to the likes of the The Sun and The Mirror as “reliable sources”. NONE of these ‘papers have access to the same material that we have, so what Wikipedia consider to be trustworthy, WE wouldn’t touch with a bargepole!
Anyway, let’s just have a look at the discussions taking place in Wiki’s back bedroom…
Synthesis?
“In my view, the whole section on “Birth and family background”, and much of the Early life” section, is synthesis with elements of original research. There is clearly a mass of conflicting evidence about his birth, parentage and early years, and when alive he and his family vigorously contested many of the details in the article. The article goes into a great amount of detail over the conflicting claims, but it is not up to any of us editors to identify the truth of the matter. We need to wait to see what emerges from the researches and obituaries published in reliable sources, and then summarise them – and, in the meantime, we should edit out much of the (in my view) synthesis and original research in the current article. Thoughts? Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:21, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Mr Wyngarde and his next-of-kin had/have every right to “vigorously contest” the inaccurate information published online by Wikipedia.
A lot of it is backed up by references, and it gives an interesting perspective, while at the same time acknowledging the uncertainties. It seems alright to me, but I’ll be interested in the majority view. MidnightBlue(Talk)15:45, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Many of the references are to primary sources, and given the disputes with his family and/or friends we should be treating them with great caution. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:56, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
I’ve now had a go at removing much of the material derived from primary sources, large chunks of which appear to me to be original research about his various purported relatives. It’s all fascinating stuff, but not in a Wikipedia biographical article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:11, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
Since you mention the website of the Peter Wyngarde Appreciation Society (PWAS), I note that we already have editors here busily deleting information quoted from that site on the grounds that “it’s just a fan site” and “this isn’t a reliable source.” Since the website claims to be Wyngarde’s official “mouthpiece”[4] and features interviews with the man himself I would have thought it would be OK to cite it (with caution) as per WP:ABOUTSELF, noting when it conflicts with other sources. Perhaps we should try to get a consensus here about how to handle quoting PWAS.–Muzilon (talk) 23:44, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
We are NOT “Just a fansite”. This label has been discussed previously on this ‘site. We are an Official – i.e. sanctioned – information ‘site. What is Wikipedia if not just a free space that anyone and everyone can add to and/or edit, regardless of whether they’re conversant enough to do so?
It’s not the place of Wikipedia’s contributors, editors or moderators to brand other websites, or to demean them in an attempt to enhance their own importance. The last place any self-respecting author or journalist would go to find source material is Wikipedia, as it’s become a bi-word for unreliability worldwide.
The reason that the information posted by the Administrator of the Official Peter Wyngarde Appreciation Society often conflicts with other sources is because those other sources are incorrect!
None of the claims made by the PWAS can be independently verified. Rather than taking an honest and accurate look at his life PWAS treats him with undue reverence, even strongly denying his now widely acknowledged homosexuality.Jack1956 (talk) 03:16, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
ALL of the so-called “claims” made on our Facebook page and website can be verified by the original documentation – many of which we have published online (see ‘You’ve Read The Book, Now Read It In Peter’s Own Words’, ‘Peter Wyngarde: A Life Amongst Strangers Companion‘ and ‘Thoughts Of Peter‘). These papers, which include contracts, passports, royalty receipts, theatre programmes, scripts, filming schedules, personal correspondence (betweenMr Wyngarde and actors, directors, producers et al), personal diaries (1952-2018), overseas visas… etc., are stored in the Peter Wyngarde Archive, which is in the keeping of Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins and Bowington Management.
The fact that the Wikipedia contributor(s) have no access to this documentation does not diminish the accuracy of the information that appears on our Facebook page or this website. On the contrary, it serves to highlight the poor quality of material accessible to them – i.e. their reliance on tabloid and magazine articles, et al.
“…PWAS treats him with undue reverence”. Peter achieved much critical acclaim throughout his career, winning and being nominated for numerous awards, unlike the contributors to his Wikipedia ‘Biography’, who are obliged to write about actors because they haven’t the talent themselves to be one. What is actually “undue” is the faith in which supposed ‘professional journalists’ put in Wikipedia!
“…his now widely acknowledged homosexuality.” Widely acknowledged? By whom? Where is Jack1956’s irrefutable evidence to substantiate this wild speculation? Not even a yellowing copy of The News of the World – Circa 1975 – was forthcoming.
Well, maybe he was bisexual, I’m not really worried about that. On more objective matters, PWAS says he was married to Dorinda Stevens for seven years, whereas the WP article says three years. Which is correct?—Muzilon (talk) 03:25, 19 January 2018 (UTC) – married Michael Boultbee in Nairobi in 1957.
Now suddenly Peter is reduced in rank from an absolutely, categorically, bona fide ‘Homosexual’ to “maybe” being “Bisexual”…
No record of a marriage to a Wyngarde or Goldbert at any time suggesting they never married.Jack1956 (talk) 08:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Below is taken from the Electoral Roll showing Peter and Dorinda Stevens living as man and wife at 9, Holland Park Road, London in 1953. The original Marriage Certificate and Divorce Papers are kept in the Peter Wyngarde Archive.
If there was a marriage it may not have been in the UK, so may it not necessarily be in those records? Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:35, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Peter and Dorinda Stevens were married in Italy.
Convenient there would be no record. And of course, PW always told the truth about his early life. Jack1956 (talk) 09:13, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
“Convenient”.? Are they suggesting that in the early 50s, a conspiracy involving Peter, Dorinda Stevens and their respective families and friends for the sole purpose of hoodwinking a gang of busybodies controlling a ‘biography’ on a global system of interconnecting computers decades prior to it being invented? Oh, pur-leeze!
No online record, at any rate. According to the Talk page archives they were listed as Mr & Mrs Wyngarde on the UK electoral roll in 1953.–Muzilon (talk) 22:03, 21
Hallelujah!
What seems to be widely acknowledged now is that he was bisexual, rather than homosexual. It’s certainly true that PWAS treats him with some reverence, and where their statements conflict with other published information that site should be treated with great caution. But it should not be completely dismissed as unreliable – it seems well-informed on many matters and may contain information that is unchallenged elsewhere. Although some of the obituaries in usually reliable sources may have derived some of their information both from here and PWAS, they should provide the basis of the article here. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:33, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
“…widely acknowledged’… We’re back to this old chestnut! A couple of weeks before this was posted, the members of the Wikipedia Peter Wyngarde Biography conglomerate were adamant that Peter was ‘homosexual’. Now they’re certain he’s ‘bisexual’. Why don’t they just admit that they’ve not only been barking up the wrong tree, but are in the entirely wrong forest?!
There’s a COLOSSAL difference between Wikipedia’s reliance on press articles/ internet gossip, and the first-hand information used by our Website. If the contributor(s) and editors of the P.W. ‘biography’ choose to treat us with “…great caution”, that’s their prerogative. It wouldn’t be the first time that they’ve dismissed the facts in favour of publishing fallacious material published in a gossip rag, so why break the habit of a lifetime?!
Birth and family background
This section is currently tagged with WP:UNDUE. But I think it’s a reasonable size What do others think? This is the only issue now preventing posting the death of Wyngarde at RD on the main page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
I’ve given it another trim. The article as a whole is starting to look more balanced, but some more work might be beneficial. Bring me the bore worms…. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the newspaper i is quoting the specific birthdate of 27 August 1927? Jack1956 (talk) 12:05, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Questioning a so-called “reliable source”? Aren’t the papers supposed to be utterly infallible where ‘The Truth’ is concerned?! It’s not like any of them have been sued for libel or anything so grubby. This will never do!
I would have thought that depends on the newspaper. Perhaps for the reasons given in “Note 1”? in the article? Perhaps because they have access to the birth records for Marseille? It’s only really the year that’s been in dispute. All of the initial BBC radio news reports I heard described him as “aged 90”, so you would assume they did some homework. Newspapers typically don’t disclose their sources, and indeed may deliberately choose not to. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:45, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
“…depends on the newspaper”? But I thought ALL of them were right ALL the time?!
My print copy of the i says 28 August 1927…. ?? Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:24, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
My mistake on a cursory read – 28 August it is. Jack1956 (talk) 18:30, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
His passport says he was born on 28 August 1937, not 1927.[1]2.31.166.197 (talk) 05:40, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
We have no way of verifying the authenticity of that image[14]. (Are you even allowed to wear a baseball cap in a British passport photo? —Muzilon (talk) 08:38, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
Quite clearly, it IS legal to wear a baseball cap in a British passport photo. See, Muzilon, you learn something new on this website every day!
(Note to Muzilon: Might I suggest, if you still suspect that the image on this ‘site had been faked (a very serious accusation, by the way!), you should contact your local Passport Office to enquire about the baseball cap thing. When they inform you that it’s perfectly acceptable to wear headgear as long as it doesn’t cover any part of your face, you can leave a little note of apology for me at the bottom of this page. I shall look forward to reading it.
How very odd. I searched here, but failed to find anything at all. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:25, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
PS: The first notice of his death seems to have been given by his agent, who presumably knew that PW was born in 1927 rather than 1933 regardless of what he had previously claimed. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:28, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I just did a further small edit of the details of the wartime correspondence about the Goldbert children, which I viewed at the National Archives before adding it here recently. It does not mention Cyril or any of the children by the first names, but as I have added in my note on the edit, the family name, ages and genders of the children everything else correspond exactly with Cyril, Adolphe and Marion. Theheartof (talk) 11:15, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Your edit summary says: “The children are not named in the correspondence, but the names and ages correspond exactly with Cyril, Adolphe and Marion.” That looks a bit self-contradictory? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:40, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
“Names” = family name, I assume….? Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:55, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Yes, I was trying to keeping it short. There are no *given* names for the children in the correspondence, only the family name, the parent, and the ages and genders. I have edited again to remove my previous “Master Goldbert” Theheartof (talk) 13:09, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
Theatre work in South Africa and Austria?
This unreliable source claims that, after his arrest, he did some stage work in South Africa and Austria. Do we have a better source for this claim? If so, it could be added to the article. Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:39, 23 January 2018 (UTC)
There is no better source of information concerning the theatrical productions in which Peter starred than on this website! There’s a comprehensive list of ALL his stage work, plus reviews and photographs of the plays performed in South Africa and Austria.
If the Wikipedia contributor(s) and editors decide that this information is too “unreliable”, then they might try contacting the theatre’s where the productions were staged. I’m sure that the managers of these venues will be happy to furnish them with exactly the same information that can be found here on this ‘site…!!!
His Times obit also makes a passing comment that he “worked as a Shakespearean actor in South Africa [and] appeared on stage in Vienna,” without giving any further details.–Muzilon (talk) 10:26, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Peter never performed Shakespeare in South Africa. Sorry lads, but this is just ANOTHER example of one of your “reliable sources” getting it wrong.
I’ve added a brief sentence. Ghmyrtle (talk) 20:48, 1 February 2018 (UTC)
Roger Langley’s 2012 biography of Wyngarde (self-published, so I don’t know if that counts as a “reliable source” as far as Wikipedia is concerned) contradicts The Times slightly by saying Wyngarde appeared as a Shakespearean actor in *Austria* (not South Africa) in 1975-76; and that his tour of South Africa was actually in a 1981 production of Ira Levin’s Deathtrap. —Muzilon (talk) 11:15, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
Christ on a bike, this is getting confusing! Here, one of these editors describes Roger Langley’s book, ‘Peter Wyngarde – King of TV’ as being “self-published” and therefore doesn’t know whether it “counts as a reliable source”, and yet in the main body of the ‘Biography’ they refer to the same book as being “professionally published” (see earlier in this article). This is making my head spin!
The article now says simply: “In the late 1970s he performed in the theatre in South Africa and Austria.” So, we could add a reference to early 1980s if necessary. Ghmyrtle (talk) 19:26, 7 February 2018
Oh dear, Ghmyrtle! If only you’d checked this website instead of dismissing it out of hand, you’d have found that Peter appeared on stage in Austria and South Africa in the mid-1970s, NOT the “early 1980s”.
Birth year in lead and infobox (again)
I know this is going over old territory but I’m not sure we should be stating his birthdate as 23 August 1927 quite as confidently as we are. When the following section starts with “… date and place of birth, his birth name, and his parents’ nationalities and occupations are all disputed.” it doesn’t seem to sit that the lead and infobox birthdates don’t carry a {{disputed}} tag. I appreciate that The Guardian and i both seem quite definite but The Times[2] is more circumspect and goes no further than “probably born on 23 August 1928” (yes 1928). I doubt the truth will ever emerge so I think the lead ought to reflect the uncertainty more than it does (and this is before I get lambasted on Facebook again as the author of this article by the person who runs the PWAS). Nthep (talk) 15:06, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
You only get “lambasted” on Facebook, Nthep, because you and your mates keep getting things wrong.
I’ve no objection to adding more {{disputed-inline}} tags, and then removing them as and when they are resolved. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:12, 26 January 2018 (UTC)
Actually, the Guardian obit is not very definite: it states “c. 1926 or 1927.” And the last I heard, the PWAS manager was banned from Wikipedia for issuing legal threats about this article.–Muzilon (talk) 09:37, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Tina Wyngarde-Hopkins was “banned” from Wikipedia for daring to edit and/or correct misinformation posted about Peter Wyngarde by the above contributors (see earlier comment re. 1,000 people EVERY DAY are banned from Wikipedia for attempting to edit/correct misinformation posted on their website).
Re the truth of his DOB never emerging, will the GRO death record and details held Golders Green Cemetery be reputable sources? Theheartof (talk) 12:20, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Re the truth of his DOB never emerging, will the GRO death record and details held Golders Green Cemetery be reputable sources? Theheartof (talk) 12:20, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
I don’t think the date of his death is in dispute in any way? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:22, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
The GRO death certificate is only reliable for date of death, not date of birth as it is only created on the information given by the person making the report and is only what they believe to be correct and therefore maybe inaccurate to a greater or lesser extent. Nthep (talk) 13:28, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
Peter’s death was registered by his life-long friend, Mitzi Kalinski.
Out of curiosity I contacted Singapore’s vital records department to determine whether there is a record of a Cyril Goldbert being born there around 1927. They were not very helpful, but it seems they won’t release any information about Singapore birth records to an unrelated third party unless the person in question was born at least 100 years ago. —Muzilon (talk) 00:07, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
As pointed out by an anonymous IP editor above, PWAS has suddenly produced what purports to be a scan of Wyngarde’s passport showing an implausible birthdate of 28 August 1937 (place of birth: “Marseille”.) His biography page has also been updated to state that he had three “step-siblings”: Henry, Simone and Charles. This is the first time a “Charles” has been mentioned, as far as I know.–Muzilon (talk) 09:22, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
The basic point needs to be reiterated – that what Wyngarde claimed is not necessarily what was true. Some of the points of detail mentioned in the PWAS article may well be true, but others may not be. It is certainly not the case that he was born in both 1937 and 1933, as they (currently) claim. Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:40, 26 February 2018 (UTC)
What would be a more accurate statement here is that what Wikipedia claim is not necessarily true!
PERSONAL COMMENT
I find it utterly deplorable that, within days of his passing, the individuals referred to above were actually debating whether or not to contact Golders Green Crematorium in an effort to garner information about Peter. Clearly, the whole rotten lot of them are devoid of any morals or decency.
Whilst those of us who grieved and despaired at our loss, these sorry excuses for human beings were thinking only of acquiring yet another morsel of information for their wretched page. “Lambasted on Facebook”? That’s the very LEAST they deserve! The lot of them should hang their heads in shame!
Whilst I’ve seen the best of people during the last few weeks, I’ve also run into the very worst of them. Come the day these people suffer the loss of their Soulmate; or a parent, grandparent, sister, brother, child or best friend, I hope they spare a thought for my beloved Peter and I, and realise how it might feel if they were to learn that a complete stranger was planning to call the cemetery of choice in an effort to obtain private information relating to their loved one.
Thankfully, those of us who have experience of such pond life had anticipated this, and requested that all services assigned with Peter care use the utmost discretion should they be contacted by the kind of callous and cold-hearted people discussed here.
Thank God that Peter passed without fully realising how low some parties will stoop to procure what they want.
Peter’s interest in shooting began in the early 1960s when he joined the Kensington Rifle and Pistol Club. Latterly, he would also join the Middlesex Shooting Sporting Club and the Old Windsor Rifle and Pistol Club.
Over the years he became something of a marksman and took part in numerous competitions around the UK, winning several trophies (see below), and also shot in Canada and South Africa.
Left: Medals of Distinction at club level and, above, He became the European Pistol Shooting Champion in 1995.
Above: Peter at the National Shooting Centre, Bisley. I took this photo on Saturday, 4th May, 1996
Shotguns
In 1996, when the British government were considering bringing in legislation banning the private ownership of handguns, Peter was asked by the clubs to which he held membership if he would lend his name to their campaigns in opposition to the ban. However, he felt that this might be counterproductive, given that any media interest would focus on him rather than the movement.
Gun Club Membership Cards
In 1997, when the Firearms (Amendment) Act was passed by parliament, Peter had to relinquish his pistols and ammunition, but rather than give in, he took up Clay Pigeon Shooting and passed his UKPSA course in shotgun conversion at Enfield (see below).
He purchase three shotguns: a Winchester 1300 pump-action, a Laurona stock action + Forend and a browning 325 “Over and Under” – all 12 gauge.
Below are the 3 shotguns.
Frequently Asked Questions
Over the years I have received many inquiries from fans about Peter and his hobby. Here are the questions I’ve most often been asked:
Q: Did Peter have buy and store to buy and store ammunition?
A: Yes. He had a police certificate which was separate to his Firearms Licence.
Q: Was he allowed to keep live ammunition in his home?
A: Yes. A police officer would visit the flat unannounced twice a year to inspect the gun cabinet where the guns were kept – this was a metal locker which was bolted to the wall inside a cupboard behind the front door in the flat. The ammunition had to be stored in a different part of the flat. In Peter’s case, he kept all the shells in the kitchen.
Q: What happened to his guns after he passed away?
Peter had registered me as his Next-of-Kin[1] with the Metropolitan Police MANY years earlier in relation to his Firearms Licence, and would re-submit my name each time he was obliged to renew the licence (every 5 years). When he passed away, I was obliged to notify the police about the guns and two officers came to Peter’s home to inspect them. The officers immediately recognised me as his Next-of-Kin, and issued me with a temporary Firearms Licence. The guns were then officially signed over to me and I was held responsible for ensuring that they were sold or disposed of within 6 months of the licence being issued.
[1]: The front desk at Kensington Police Station closed in 2017. All documents pertaining to Peter’s Firearms Licence and my being named as N.O.K. were transferred to Shepherds Bush Police Station.
Gallery
Above: Peter with his buddies from the firing range (he is second from the left in the righthand photograph).
Simon Dee: Now. Jason King. Has it been aq bit of a hangover for you?
Peter: No, I loved it. It was great fun. It was an invention; you invented it – the character you invented. You could do things with it; play around, be as imaginative as you could be and it was fun.
Simon Dee: A nice sort of suave, loose character.
Peter: (Smiling) Louche.
Simon Dee: Oh, louche!
Peter: Lovely word.
Simon Dee: You met Laurence Olivier and Vivien Leigh?
Peter: I did a play with her, of course – ‘Duel of Angels’, on Broadway and in London at the Apollo Theatre.
Simon Dee: Extraordinarily beautiful lady.
Peter: Wonderful lady. I fell in love with her, of course; very deeply fell in love with her, and it was difficult after that to look at anybody else. And then of course she died, which didn’t help.
Simon Dee: So, who’s top man in the game now then – in the acting game, in London town?
Peter: I don’t go to the theatre that often. I like the National, they do wonderful things there, but other things are very commercial. there are lots of musicals going on, very few – maybe three or four, good plays.
Simon Dee: Peter Wyngarde, thank you for coming on. It’s lovely to see you after thirty six-years.
Peter: Thirty-six years!
Simon Dee: Or something outrageous. When we last met we were both young and dashing.
‘The Right to Reply’ is a television programme which is broadcast on Channel 4 in the United Kingdom. The premise is to invite viewers to participate by praising or criticising programmes which have been shown on British TV during the previous week.
Viewers may also make enquiries about TV stars – past and present. Peter was interviewed by a fan who’d made just such an inquiry.
Fan: So, Peter Wyngarde was Jason King?
Peter: Oh, I don’t know about that! I think a romantic extension, certainly, because he was outrageous. I’m certainly not outrageous.
Fan: Jason King was certainly very popular – he was talked about in all the newspapers and magazines. What do you think accounted for that popularity?
Peter: Oh, my incredible charisma and charm (Laughs)! I don’t know. If you’re a real fan, you have to answer that.
Fan: So, Jason King was a complete romantic?
Peter: Incorrigible!
Fan: And of course he made Felicity Kendal’s career!
Peter: I don’t know about that. But I did rather fall in love with her, if that’s what you mean? That was a mistake, I think, because Jason should never have been allowed to be vulnerable.
Fan: On two occasions you were voted ‘The Best Dressed Man In Europe’. Now, if you don’t mind me being too personal, look at you now! (Peter is wearing a baseball cap, denim jeans and jacket, and training shoes}.
Peter: Yes, but I’ve been shooting – you saw that! I don’t look like this all the time!
Fan: When I used to watch the series – both series, I used to think they were deadly serious, but looking back at them now, there’s quite a bit of parody.
Peter: (Laughs) I think they were meant to be sent up. The story line was there, which I think is very important – you had to keep that going, but the fun of it – the send-up quality, I think came about with spontaneous shooting. We used to do about six months – this is on ‘Jason King’ and not ‘Department S’. We used to invent scenes which took place, or didn’t take place. I remember once we were in Rome and this gaggle of nuns came down some stairs, and I said to the cameraman: ‘Look up! I’m going to run amok amongst these nuns!” What is that marvellous phrase – a lamentation of swans? That was like a lamentation of nuns!
Fan: Do you think that Jason king could bring an extra dimension to toadies crime series?
Peter:: I don’t know. I think that they’re pretty marvellous. For example, ‘Inspector Morse’, which I think is terrific. I think the reason I like that particular series, which I hope we tried to bring to ‘Jason King’, was style. I don’t just mean the clothes; it wasn’t sort of bland. Another sort of think which I think is a great shame is the phoney realism. You know, not neo-realism, but phoney realism. This macho pap which no one believes for a second – it doesn’t fool anybody. That, I think, has got in the way a lot, where the slightly sent-up quality does help a bit.